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john mee abbott born Edinburgh 8th august 1940

Well I still find the response from the people about the other John Mee Abbott very odd ... did they just say 'no not him' or did they give you any information to show that?

I wonder whether if you were to approach them again and say something like 'their names are so alike we wonder whether they could be related, possibly cousins ... do you know where your John was born?' you might find out more.

(the date of birth on a death certificate is always given by someone else, so it's always possible for that person to get it wrong)

But it is the Wakefield marriage certificate that you have got? and it says a different father ...

that father is deceased now, so do you want to tell us the name? it could help sort out who that JMA was.

hi all just received john mee abbott wedding certificate I have been in contact with johns granddaughter we both thought we had found him but he has put a different name for his father than what is on his birth certificate.as we thought the john we are looking for died in wakefield thinking he had his date of birth wrong he had 1942 don't know where to go now any suggestions thank you in advance dave

john was born in Scotland we think ann is mabel don't know why the name change had a call back from cumbria council they are going to do all they can.we might not have to go through freedom of information act he is going to get back as soon as possible this is great news could not have done it without you and every one else here Dorothy is really excited after 55 years she might find closure I just hope it is good news a big thank you to every one best wishes dave

Aha, well that's news. Odd news though. There is no record of their John's birth in England/Wales, and the name is certainly still a coincidence. I wonder whether they know where their John's middle name Mee came from.

your enquiry to the council, that is about after when he was in the children's home?
EDIT sorry!! I had him confused with another John we were looking for this week, so not the one in a children's home in 1939 ... he wasn't born yet! I am just not distinguishing myself in this thread at all lately ...

Hi joonie have been in contact with them and they said it is not him i am awaiting to here from another person I contacted as I have sent copy of johns birth also today I got in contact with my local council to look at any info as to where john went from here . was told they would call me back today or tomorrow supplied them with all the information I have dave

Dave I'll try again!

why not try contacting the several people at this site who are descended from the man who married in 1966 in Wakefield and died there in 1991?

to ask them whether their John is the John who was born in Scotland

Hi all have now received birth certificate for john.it is not the one posted earlier he was born in Edinburgh 1940 thank you for all the information posted by everyone any suggestions where to go from here thank you dave

the death certificate would have the date of birth and the name of the person who registered the death, so if the date of birth is what the index says it is, it won't tell you anything new

actually I am not sure about modern death certificates, do they give a place of birth?

not parents' names though, on English certificates


The information I sent you privately was confused ... seems to be my thing in this thread :-)

the names I gave you are actually *grandchildren* of the 1966 marriage, and it is they who have their own names and their parent's name (the eldest child) in their trees

(all of them, including the parent, have multiple trees here)


Dave has said he will try to contact them to ask whether their John is his John.

Hi what info would be on death cert would it have parents name on or his birthdate dave

Thanks for PM'ing me the birth date, Dave.

In spite of the discrepancies, if it were me, I would be inclined to buy a copy of that Wakefield death cert, to see what other information is on it.
Perhaps the informant gave wrong info to the registrar - or the registrar wrote it down wrongly - or maybe it's been mistranscribed on Ancestry.

As far as I can see, there was only one John Mee Abbot(t) born 1940-48, in Scotland / England / Wales - ie - yours.
In England, there was one John M Abbott birth registered in the last quarter of 1942, so there's an outside chance that could be the one who died in Wakefield, as we don't know what the M stood for.
But if not, then I tend to think the Wakefield one is your John - especially in light of what JC said earlier (5th March, 22:47) about the electoral roll..

(It's a pity you clicked "answered", presumably because you had replied to my query re the DOB. It's a bad feature of GR, which many of us have been complaining about for years. It should only be clicked when YOUR query has been answered to your satisfaction - and, unfortunately, is irreversible.)

ooops, Dave, what we were getting at was not to post the actual birthdate unless it matched that death - it doesn't match (although the day of the month does) so it would be better to remove that date from your post ... but it is still an odd coincidence.

Ancestry does not provide the image for the death registration so it can't be checked to see whether it was transcribed correctly.

I am going to send you privately the children of the 1966 marriage and you can search for their names in trees here, and you will see that all three of them have trees here with their names in them

you could try contacting them to ask whether their John is your John

The full name is unusual enough that it seems very likely that the death is for Dave's John, I would be sorry to say

if that death matches with the marriage Ann posted, there were five children to that marriage and the eldest is in several trees at this site, some of them probably belonging to the child themself and other trees belonging to the child's children

the electoral roll does not show a John Abbott living with the spouse in that marriage in the last 15 years

Dave, you can just say publicly whether the day and month of birth on the birth certificate you got matches the birthdate on that 1991 death record, as yes or no

since it it is yes, it would really seem that was his death with his year of birth being an error

Can you PM me his birth date? Does the month and day match for the death in Wakefield?

Rose

hi all have now got a copy of johns birth certificate born Edinburgh 1940 now need to find him any help would be much appreciated dave ps father called david McEwen abbott mothers maiden name many thanks dave

hi all also found johns uncle William thanks to all the help I am getting .with Dorothy and her sisters being born in England did not think to look in Scotland.thank you joonie for that tip dave

posting while asleep :-D

No wonder I hadn't found a likely birth when I was searching between 1900 and 1912 ... and I was awake at the time ...

and I had actually missed Dave's post saying she was 23 at marriage

... using that reverse post date function and I'm not used to it and now I'm going to stop!

So that's the parents' marriage and births, and John's birth. Doing well.

JC -
If born 1915, she would have been 23 or 24 in 1939.

Dave said the marriage cert said she was 23 .

ArgyllGran she would have been a child bride if born 1915!

marriage was in 1939 :-)


Dave, duplicate threads, oh no

You can edit the subject line of this thread - 'john' is pretty useless anyway - and make it 'John Mee Abbott'