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Brigid, perhaps you can also take a look for Ezekiel?...seems to be beyond me to find him....

Brigid - perhaps you could add the GR threads links to the one on Rootschat? New eyes may be able to find something we've missed.

Goodness what a lot of work + progress
I didn't check here before reading find ancestors post .

I'm sorry i wasn't available when you decided to launch your initial search but do call if you have any queries ..if i can help i will ...


+ i agree that its important to summarise findings and put links to other pages on here + add them to the Rootschat page just in case someone does look up in future. ( hard for technophobes to learn all the steps how to do this .)


so pleased you found at least 1 relative to contact .

speak soon .
B

I think you're right DET, most frustrating!

Coming back to this

First name(s) PHILLIP
Last name GLUCKSTEIN
Gender Male
Age 1 –no ages are shown on the image.
Birth year 1901
Occupation INFANT
Departure year 1902
Departure day 27
Departure month 9
Departure port SOUTHAMPTON
Destination port NEW YORK
Destination NEW YORK

I agree that the first listed adult is Rosa a servant, then
Fanny
Leah
Minnie?
Phillip
Ettie – wife

I keep looking at this 1905 NY census
Name: Minnie Gluckstein
Birth Year: abt 1900
Birth Place: United States
Age: 5
Gender: Female
Race: White
Residence Year: 1905
Residence: Manhattan, New York, New York, USA
Relationship to Head: Daughter
Assembly District: 32
Election District: 23
Household Members: Name Age
Simon Gluckstein 30 -Russian or Austrian (changes from census to census)
Rosie Gluckstein 25 - wife
Fannie Gluckstein 8
Minnie Gluckstein 5
Louis Gluckstein - 7 months
Marie Emrie 16 - Servant, Russia

Petition for naturalisation
Name: Rose Gluckstein
Birth Date: 25 Dec 1880
Birth Place: Russia
Arrival Year: 1902
Naturalization Record Type: Petition for Naturalization
Event Date: 5 Jun 1928
Event Place: New York, USA
Court: Southern District, New York
Spouse's Name: Simon
Children: Fannie, Minnie, Louis, Estelle, Laurence

Says they arived 25 Jul 1902
Rosa was born in Warsaw, her husband in Russia.
Fannie in Russia
Minnie in England
The others in NY

I think we can rule them out

I've looked at all the Bloombergs in London 1901, all the Ezekiels ditto, Ezekiels who have emigrated ... the birthdate on the school admission would I think be correct, but that doesn't help a lot!

Even using a wide search in Warwichshire 1872-1874, there is nothing that could possibly be Ezekiel's. Its on the cusp of compulsary registration. Perhaps they decided to give it a miss if money was tight?

the only 2 in the same area and year range are

Births Mar 1872 (>99%)
BLOOMBERG Esther Birmingham 6d 147

Births Mar 1874 (>99%)
Bloomberg Polly Birmingham 6d 156
She died the same quarter

Name: Polly Bloomberg
Estimated birth year: abt 1874
Registration Year: 1874
Registration Quarter: Jan-Feb-Mar
Age at Death: 0
Registration district: Birmingham
Inferred County: Warwickshire
Volume: 6d
Page: 99

I think I've just about exhausted the possibilities for Ezekiel... I think he must have changed both his first name and surname? I can't even see a birth cer for him...or have I missed it? :-S

RE possible children for Henry Percy Lawrence. There is a problem in so far that there are a number of Lawrence/Mitchell entries in the gro index. Its impossible to say if, if any, are their children.

Ploughing through various ER, there is one which may suggest that all of the Bloombergs changed their surname

1920 – 31 Minster Rd, Camden
With Fanny Lawrence, Frank Lawrence
Fanny his mother and Frank being his father Francis?

Philip Barnett Glukstein I am having trouble finding after his marriage

There is this child travelling with sibllings and mother Ester Gluckstein...but I can't find her in 1901 to confirm or eliminate as yet

First name(s) PHILLIP
Last name GLUCKSTEIN
Gender Male
Age 1
Birth year 1901
Occupation INFANT
Departure year 1902
Departure day 27
Departure month 9
Departure port SOUTHAMPTON
Destination port NEW YORK
Destination NEW YORK
Country United States
Destination country United States
Ship name PHILADELPHIA
Ship master's first name A R
Ship master's last name MILLS
City SOUTHAMPTON
Ship destination port NEW YORK
Ship destination country USA
Ship square feet 13032
Ship registered tonnage 4577
Number of passengers 865
Record set Passenger Lists leaving UK 1890-1960
Category Travel & migration
Subcategory Passenger lists

siblings fanny, leah, minnie?( can't make the name out for sure) ? travelling with a Rosa Gluckstein ( servant)


Edit the other possible spouse George Darlison almpost certainly married an Alice Partridge...so I am pretty sure Esther married Glukstein/ Gluckstein

Hi Maureen, it's not really a case of being "dedicated" to purchase certs...it's just that sometimes you have to if you really want to know for sure. It's a personal choice just how obsessed one gets lol.

As to Stella V , there is no Bloomberg marriage to a Lawrence account for that name ( as far as I can see?) so she may just have taken the name. The families certainly did like to change names!

Violet Stella's surname was Bloomberg, her parents being Alfred Bloomberg who married a Catherine Zwart. Violet was born 1905 and there is cause for confusion because her brother's name was HARRY Percy born 1892. Maybe she married her cousin? My brother-in-law went to Hackney Downs, as did Harold Pinter!
Now I wonder whether Esther Bloomberg, born 6.12.1871, Litchfield St. B'ham, who married in 1894 Phillip Barnet Gluckstein (or possibly George Darlison) had any family.
I appreciate all the info. but am not so dedicated as to purchase certificates. I leave that to you dedicated professionals. Best Wishes, Maureen

London, England, Electoral Registers, 1832-1965

Name: Ethel Lawrence - image says Ethel E M Lawrence
Year: 1963
County or Borough: Croydon
Ward or Division/Constituency: Croydon South
Street address: 9 Shirley Hills Road - image says Shirley Way, the same as on the probate entry
Reference Number: LCC/PER/B/2899
Living with a Henry P Lawrence

Earliest obvious entry is in 1945. Still there in 1965

DET I think that one's likely too, but as you say it will need certs to be sure. I couldn't see any children for that marriage can you?

I wish I could remember the thought I had just before i went to sleep last night re this thread lol :-D

Picking up on the LAWRENCE/MITCHELL marriage

Marriages Sep 1924 (>99%)
Lawrence Henry P Mitchell Hackney 1b 971
Mitchell Ethel E M Lawrence Hackney 1b 971

Rose has already posted Henry’s possible death

First name(s) HENRY PERCY
Last name LAWRENCE
Gender Male
Birth day 25
Birth month 9
Birth year 1895
Age -
Death quarter 1
Death year 1978
District AYLESBURY
County Buckinghamshire
Volume 19
Page 0980

Might this be Ethel’s death?

Free search on GR gives all of her names/initials
ETHEL EVELYN M LAWRENCE
England & Wales deaths 1837-2007
County Surrey, District Croyden
Year 1984
Birth Year 1900
Event Quarter 4

Ancestry’s version – they have a know problem with the data base. The preview does say Ethel Evelyn M Lawrence

Ethel Evelyn Lawrence
Birth Date: 3 Feb 1900
Date of Registration: Oct 1984
Age at Death: 84
Registration district: Croydon
Inferred County: London, Surrey
Volume: 11
Page: 1752

Her Estate went to Probate

LAWRENCE Ethel Evelyn May of 9 Shirley Wy Shirley Croyden died 14 October 1984 Probate London 17 December £61868. Folio # 8480016360X
http://tiny.cc/zhty4x

………..
Rather than accepting our suggestions as Fact, it really would be best to invest in some certificates.

I wonder? Looking for Stella Violet but with no success as to a marriage under Bloomberg, did she change her name to that of her brother also??


First name(s) STELLA V
Last name LAWRENCE
Gender Female
Birth day -
Birth month -
Birth year 1904
Age 60
Death quarter 3
Death year 1964
District BIRMINGHAM
County Warwickshire
Volume 9C
Page 227
Country England
Record set England & Wales deaths 1837-2007
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Subcategory Deaths & burials
Collections from Great Britain

this snippet is interesting re HP Bloomberg/Lawrence from
http://www.cloveclub.com/WW1ROHa.pdf

Hackney Down's School...Roll of honour

"Lawrence, H.P.Second-Lieut.: Writes from France:- “Will you make public the fact that I am no longer known to the world as Bloomberg. Before a benevolent War Office would grant me a commission it was necessary for me to change my name and so by Deed Poll ‘to all whom it may concern,’ I am in future to be known by the name of Lawrence.” We have just heard that Second Lieutenant Lawrence has been wounded in the forearm by a Boche machine gun bullet and is now in King’s College Hospital, London. (90/17). Visited School 93/18."

Brilliant! Thank you JoonieCloonie. I have written to Nicholas just now and hope to hear from him. I am now looking to see whether Henry Percy Bloomberg, name change to Lawrence) born 1896 Stoke Newington, died 1978 Aylesbury had any family, some of whom could still be living.
Did you have a good holiday Rambling Rose? I've set you another trail to follow! Best Wishes to all, Maureen .

I'm back ( thank you DET) and very interested to see how the search has progressed :-) Will read back and see what's still to be found (Ezekial??) .

Maureen one of those links for Nick Rich did have an email address ( *edit sorry just realised it's only partial) but it may not be current so if you don't get a reply from him here, I will see if I can find him on the electoral roll.

maureen, Nick is a member of this site

search trees for

Adolph Rich 1858 Germany

he may or may not receive a message sent to him via that link ('Find Out More' next to his name in the search result) depending on whether his email address in his account at this site is current so he receives notifications.

here

http://tinyurl.com/qyz842e

that link takes you to the search result here in question