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If you haven't already, see if you can find any record of the children in the Derby Orphanage. The article dies say they needed to be aged 6 before they were admitted.
http://www.childrenshomes.org.uk/DerbyRailway/
There is a link to where the surviving records are held.

Both Annie's and Albert's DC should give their normal address. With that information you can search the historical ER to discover the names of adults at the same address. You could also work out which were the closest Primary Schools.

Track down where admission registers might be held and search to see if Edith is listed. The nearest archive or family history centre would be good place to start.

ditto :-D

and if you do want to look into the somewhat mysterious Albert, just let us know!

You're welcome :-)

Yes I agree. I do appologise. I had so much info come in I am stilll going through it.
Tbanks for your effot do appre c eate it.

We are not related, and we do appreciate a small "thank you", and even some feedback from you about the information given ...

We are not related, just enjoy a challenge! I assume Annie was your Mother-in-law?

If I see anything further re Annie/ Nancy, or anything about their lives when they were younger I will let you know.

Yes wehave now a lot more information than we had.am curious if you are related in a ny way. Our interest is focusi g on Ediths sister a d thier early life.

I think we can assume that Donald has the information he needs. I sent a pm with details of Edith's children. It has been opened.

As Donald had marked this as Answered, does this mean he doesn't need anymore information?

Please post your reply on the board. Feed back/thanks/acknowledgement is most welcome.

Shirley put a marriage up earlier for Edith's sister Annie- this was also correct. Annie (Nancy) lived in Derbyshire and sadly passed away earlier this year aged 92.

Albert's birth:
First name(s) ALBERT RICHARDS
Last name PUGSLEY
Birth year 1878
Birth quarter 1
District NEWPORT (MONMOUTHSHIRE)
County Monmouthshire
Country Wales
Volume 11A Page 172
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Albert's baptism:

Monmouthshire Baptisms Transcription
First name(s) ALBERT RICHARDS
Last name PUGSLEY
Birth year 1878
Baptism year 1878
Baptism day 05
Baptism month Feb
Place MAINDEE, ST JOHN THE EVANGELIST
Mother's first name(s) Mary
Father's first name(s) John
County Monmouthshire
Country Wales
Page 3
Record set Monmouthshire Baptisms
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And he did work on the railways for a time as fireman:

Name: Albert Richards Pugsley
Birth Date: 5 Jan 1878
Residence Date: Aug 1903
Age: 25
Station: Cardiff
Company: Great Western
Description: Register of uniformed staff No.2 O & P 1864-1915
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Also this record but no way of knowing if it's for the correct man (unless he was listed as a ticket collector on the birth certificates of his children?)

Trade Union membership registers Transcription
First name(s) Albert
Last name Pugsley
Admission year 1915
Age 37
Occupation/grade Ticket Collector
Trade Railway workers
Union name National Union of Railwaymen
Union branch Cardiff 3
Union branch as transcribed Cardiff 3
County Glamorganshire
Country Wales
Archive Modern Records Centre
Archive reference MSS.127/NU/OR/2/46
Folio or page 49
Title General Register
Dates Nov 1915-Apr 1916
Information contained Members 673001-688000

The death in 1927 put up by Det earlier is most likely to be the correct one.

Marriage of Edith's Parents:

Glamorgan Marriages Transcription
name(s) ALBERT PUGSLEY (Blacksmith)
Birth year 1880
Marriage year 1916
Marriage day 20
Marriage month Mar
Marriage place GRANGETOWN
Spouse's name(s) ANNIE ELIZABETH JAMES
Groom's age 36
Groom's father John Pugsley (Blacksmith, deceased)
Bride's age 28
Bride's father Arthur James (Bailiff)
County Glamorganshire
Country Wales
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Fits with this census:

1911 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
44 Shaftsbury Street Newport, Newport, Monmouthshire, Wales

John Pugsley Head Married Male Blacksmith 67 1844 Loxhore Nth Devon
Mary Pugsley Wife Married Female - 60 1851 Kentisbury Nth Devon
Albert Pugsley Son Single Male Blacksmith 33 1878 Newport Mon
Annie Pugsley Daughter Single Female Drapers Assistant 23 1888 Newport Mon

Gloucestershire Echo - Monday 02 December 1946

MARRIAGES:
COLLINS- PUGSLEY. On October 27 at Houston Texas, USA, Randolph Collins, of Houston to Edith Pugsley of 6 Gloucester Place, Cheltenham.
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Going to join Fiance (Mr Collins in Houston):

New York, Passenger Lists, 1820-1957
Name: Edith Mary Pugsley
Arrival Date: 26 Oct 1946
Birth Date: abt 1917
Birth Location: England
Birth Location Other: Cardiff, Wales
Age: 29
Gender: Female
Port of Departure: Lon,eng
Port of Arrival: New York, New York
Last permanent residence: 6 Gloucester Place, Cheltenham
Airline: Pan American Airways
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Border Crossings: From Mexico to U.S., 1895-1964
Name: Edith Mary Collins
[Edith Mary Pugsley]
Arrival Date: 12 Jul 1947
Port of Arrival: Laredo, Texas, United States
Accompanied by: Percy Lyny
Age: 30
Birth Date: abt 1917
Birth Location: Cardiff, Wales
Gender: Female
Race/Nationality: English
Record has photo?: No
Record Type: Card
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Edith passed away 2005-
Social Security Applications and Claims Index
Edith Mary
[Edith M Collins]
[Edith Mary Pugsley]
SSN: 467448124
Gender: Female
Race: White
Birth Date: 16 Apr 1917
Birth Place: Cardiff Wale, United Kingdom
Father Name: Albert Pugsley
Mother Name: Annie E James
Death Date: 10 Nov 2005
Type of Claim: Original SSN.
Notes: Jan 1948: Name listed as EDITH MARY COLLINS; 23 Nov 2005: Name listed as EDITH M COLLINS
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Edith and Randolph had two daughters born in Texas. Details sent.

Donald has in his tree

Albert Pugsley 1883 Newport, Monmouthshire

so either that's a guess or he has not given us all the info he has .............

Births Jun 1882 ?? closest birth in the index
Pugsley Albert Edward Newport, M. 11a 176


in 1911 that Albert is a plumber in Cardiff married to Ellen ... Ellen died in Cardiff in 1956, Albert in 1855 in East Glamorgan

I think that is probably not Donald's Albert


someone has in their tree

Doreen Pugsley 1925 Unknown ...

but that person may not be much help :-)


someone else has

Annie James 1888 Kensington

and that would be the Annie I posted above

Austin that's them for sure

I wish we knew what Donald wanted ... time to send a private message I guess


meanwhile I had accidentally searched for Alfred Pugsley in 1911 when I started

and I wondered whether that might not actually have been his name (it seems that Donald may be having trouble finding info about Albert)

Name: Alfred Pugsley
Age in 1911: 26
Estimated birth year: abt 1885
Relation to Head: Son
Gender: Male
Birth Place: Cardiff, Glamorgan, Wales
Civil Parish: Cardiff
Country: Wales
Street address: 18 Fairfeild Avenue Victoria Park Cardiff
Marital Status: Single
Occupation: Clerk
Registration district: Cardiff

George Pugsley 53
Ellen Pugsley 48
Alfred Pugsley 26


Name: Alfred J Pugsley
Birth Date: abt 1884
Date of Registration: Jun 1963
Age at Death: 79
Registration district: Bristol
Inferred County: Gloucestershire
Volume: 7b
Page: 45

Births Sep 1883
PUGSLEY Alfred John Barton R. 6a 45


I would say Albert & Annie's marriage certificate is needed, to know their ages and their parents' names, in order to find any more info about them

Albert himself is a bit of a mystery in the 1911 census

the only two Alberts of the right age in Wales were both married and had middle names

a death in Gloucestershire might fit ...

Name: Albert V Pugsley
Birth Date: abt 1888
Date of Registration: Sep 1953
Age at Death: 65
Registration district: Bristol
Inferred County: Gloucestershire
Volume: 7b
Page: 159

that person would be in 1911

Name: Albert Victor Pugsley
Age in 1911: 22
Estimated birth year: abt 1889
Relation to Head: Head
Gender: Male
Birth Place: Bristol, Somerset, England
Civil Parish: Pontypridd
County/Island: Glamorgan
Country: Wales
Street address: 139 Coedpenmaen Road Pontypridd Glam
Marital Status: Married
Years Married: 2
Estimated Marriage Year: 1909
Occupation: Labourer
Registration district: Pontypridd

but wife Rosina died in 1977 in Bristol

this 1911 census would match the 1922 death of an Annie Sr (and she has sister Edith)

Name: Annie Elizabeth James
Age in 1911: 23
Estimated birth year: abt 1888
Relation to Head: Daughter
Gender: Female
Birth Place: Notting Hill, Middlesex, England
Civil Parish: Cardiff
County/Island: Glamorgan
Country: Wales
Street address: 18 Prince Leopold Street Cardiff
Marital Status: Single
Registration district: Cardiff

Arthur James 50
Annie Elizabeth James 23
Edith Mary James 20


Births Dec 1887
James Annie Elizabeth Kensington 1a 141

just to note
Freebmd has mistranscribed her marriage as Annie H
and Ancestry has mistranscribed it as Annie M


but if Annie Sr died in 1922 ... whose child was Doreen?

6 male Pugsleys married in Cardiff after Albert up to 1924 ... perhaps one married a widow whose birth name was James

Derby Daily Telegraph - Wednesday 22 June 1932

Edith Pugsley- prize winner at the Railway Servants' Orphanage. Ashbourne Road, Derby. Awarded the 'Lady Ashfield prize, the General Efficiency prize and the Bronze Medallion of the Royal Life Saving Society.

She was also awarded prizes in 1930 & 1931.

Also a child Nancy Pugsley reported at the same orphanage (possibly Annie?)

Detective there doesn't seem to be another couple with those surnames


John A 1920 died in infancy


Doreen P 1924 married in Cardiff

Name: Doreen Phyllis Elias
Birth Date: 7 Jul 1924
Date of Registration: Dec 1973
Age at Death: 49
Registration district: east Glamorgan
Inferred County: Glamorganshire
Volume: 8b
Page: 1898

she had two sons around 1960 - they are both on the current electoral roll in Glamorgan


Ronald did not marry

Deaths Sep 1965
PUGSLEY RONALD V 44 GLOUCESTER C. 7B 390


it is frustrating when someone says 'ANY INFO PLEASE.' and we have no idea what info they want

since this is the Living Relatives board, is the search for someone who is living?

in that case, the sons of Doreen should be easy to contact

Possible marriage


First name(s) ANNIE E M
Last name PUGSLEY
Marriage quarter 4
Marriage year 1964
Registration month -
MarriageFinder™ ANNIE E M PUGSLEY married
MALCOLM A GRIEVE
Spouse's last name GRIEVE
District CHELTENHAM
District number -
County Gloucestershire
Country England
Volume 7B
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