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Sorry I haven't got back before as I have just got back from holiday , I think the 1959 marriage is more appropriate.

Will carry on with my thread with all the suggestions I have received tomorrow.

Thanks :-)

don't know if this is a possible but there is a marriage of a Micheal J Greene in Coventry in 1960 to a Jean E. A**** they are on the electrol roll

No need to do anything - the thread will still be here when you return. Just look in your 'My Threads' link then from the Text, Threads started by me.

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Hi.
The e-mail i sent hasn't been opened yet , so i'll wait a little longer and go down the list as you suggest.
This should take a while - how do I put the thread into sleep mode or do i need to whilst I am doing it ?

Thanks. :-)

I would wait a bit ... some people will never get messages because they have changed their email ... but give it a few days anyway

then you could go through them one by one, from the one maybe most likely to be helpful (maybe older, not to closely but not too distantly related?) on down :-)


oh - you can tell whether your message has been received

go to your 'sent messages' and if there is still a purple envelope beside it, the person has not read it, which usually means they are no longer getting email from this site

Hi .
I did as you suggested the first person I came across has a tree so I have sent them an e-mail.
I note that others out of the 14 that fit the criteria some also have trees.
Should I wait to see if I get a response ?
Thanks

to view someone's tree you have to have their permission

once you have the name, go to 'search all member trees' under Search at the top of your screen

we never recommend asking to see someone's tree ... that is usually seen as presumptuous coming from a complete stranger :-)

your wife will have to think about how best to approach someone who could be family of her dad

a general enquiry first about whether the person is related to Ms B who married MJG in Coventry, because you think you might be related to him by his first marriage, maybe, is best, maybe asking whether he was ever in the Warwickshires, to start - or whether the GR member can put you in touch with direct family of him and Ms B? because being of a younger generation, the GR member might well not know a lot about him

difficult to recommend how to proceed, but others may have suggestions.

the other option is to contact the person Austin referred to ... I have to run at the moment but he could maybe send you the electoral roll information

Hi.
Thanks so much for the information , yes I have looked at all the links you have sent,

I will look at Freebmd in the morning - Once I then have the information will I be able to view the tree?

Thanks again for the amazing investigation I think we are very near to solving the question.
ATB :-)

if you look at freebmd for the birth in 1970 in Coventry of a person with the same mother's surname as the 1959 spouse

... that person has a tree here at genesreunited with themself in it

so I have the right family for the spouse in the 1959 marriage (I hope you had a look at the various links I gave, for births and marriages of her and her siblings)

and that means that the various other events involving that surname in Coventry are all related to that spouse and the spouse's siblings (marriages and children's births)

talking to someone in that family seems to me to be the only way to find out whether that MJG is/was your MJG

Hi.
Thanks for all your info.
In answer to your questions:-
MJG's occupation in the 1959 marriage was "Labourer Motor Works "
MJG's birth was in 1931 in Co Galway.
The spouse in the 1959 marriage was a Spinster.
The spouses father's Christian name in the 1959 marriage was Thomas.
ATB :-)

aha, I was not paying careful attention there :-)

I agree, that could be worth looking into.

Not all the Green/ Bible children born in Coventry were born to the same couple- there is an overlap on some of the births. Interestingly one of those is Michael J.

Also might be worth noting that the child born 1967 is, I think, later listed as Greene on the electoral registers- and living in Coventry with a Michael Greene. Both have no initials on the current Electoral register. Could be worth looking into?

Rose noted on page 1


'There appear to be children born as Green to this marriage. There is another marriage with this surname combination a little later though.'


in fact they were children of the sister of the 1959 Coventry spouse, who also married in Coventry, in 1961, coincidentally to someone with almost the same surname


this is the complete list of the children of that family (the 1959 MJG's spouse and her siblings) born in Carlow Ireland:

http://tinyurl.com/pa24kjp


this would be the birth of the spouse in the coincidental 1961 marriage, Carlow 1942, would be my supposition:

https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:F1H7-BNR


there are other births in Coventry with the surname of the 1959 MJG's spouse as the mother's surname, so it would seem other sisters may have settled there as well (there were 5 girls altogether in the family)

search at freebmd for births in Coventry with that mother's surname

freebmd shows 12 and Ancestry shows 16 but all the father's surnames are accounted for at freebmd
surnames begin with Cl*, Bo*, Br*, Ka*

there are no marriages in England/Wales for those other births ... likely married in Ireland

there is also a birth in Coventry in the surname of the 1959 MJG's spouse, i.e. to a brother of hers, one might assume

2 brothers and a sister had married in Ireland:

http://tinyurl.com/nsl9oyv

the youngest brother died in 1984 in Coventry


this offers rather a large number of names to search for, of the family (siblings and their children) of the 1959 MJG's spouse, some of whom might well be able to shed light on the MJG in that marriage

... who is looking increasingly likely to be your MJG

oh look, I won't post the details as the person may be living

https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:F1W1-JL7

spouse in 1959 marriage, born Ireland 1938

there were nine children in that family (records at familysearch) but none of them is in a tree here at genesreunited

and none of them appears to have married in England/Wales
- edit - oops, 2 sisters also married in Coventry in 1961 and 1973 ... the 2nd under 2 different surnames so presumably divorced

just to check, is the spouse's father's name on the 1959 certificate Thomas?
parents married 1927 Carlow

I can't find a birth record for the father but I expect he was a later-born child of this family:

http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Carlow/Borris/Pound_Lane/309860/

ah now that is interesting

what was the MJ's occupation on that 1959 marriage?

we know that marriage wasn't the same person as the 1957 marriage since that couple was together later on the electoral roll


1910 to 1940 there were only 2 MJG births in England, not in the vicinity

a little odd since 1947 to 1960 there were 9 MJG marriages ... although 3 1942 births could have married young ... none of the births match up well geographically with marriages


the spouse in the 1959 marriage was not previously married?
the name doesn't seem to exist in either form, in births or as a result of a previous marriage

someone here has a person in their tree with the spouse's name, born 1940 Australia

my firefox is fixing to crash so I will post this and keep looking at that last bit

Hi.
Yes my wife's mother was and is from Coventry.

My wife's birth certificate says Michael Joseph was a private in the Royal Warwickshire Regiment and a Miller at the RadioWorks I can only assume that this was the GEC in Coventry.

Your last comment is interesting as Michael Joseph's wedding in 1959 says his previous marriage was dissolved although as in my previous replies there are slght differences.- Age 27 yrs should be 28 yrs and fathers Christian name Joseph should be John.

Do you think we are nearly there?

and just one other thing that I completely forgot to think of before - any marriage for your Michael after the divorce should state 'divorced' as his marital status at the time of the second marrage, so that's another way of ruling a marriage in or out

Thanks i'll see if I can get any further information tomorrow.

'if the father's name on the (1951) marriage certificate to your wife's mother matches the name on that birth (1931) certificate, then it seems likely that it is him'

sometimes only the DNA will ever tell us these things for sure :-D



there are still things that you know that we don't ... like why your wife was born in Coventry perhaps

was your wife's mother from Coventry? if so, any idea why she married in Ireland?

I wonder whether there is anyone in your wife's family still living (a younger sibling of your wife's mother?) who would remember Michael and something as simple as whether he appeared to be Irish :-)

actually I wonder whether he was ever in Coventry at all ... does you wife know for sure that he was? the marriage in Ireland appears to have been, forgive me, hasty (if your wife's mother was born in Coventry, her birth record shows her to have been very young when she married), and then your wife was born in Coventry and the divorce followed

at the time, as I understand it, grounds for divorce, apart from the standard adultery and cruelty, included desertion which had to be for 3 years

your wife's mother remarried 3 and a half years or so after your wife was born ... so counting the time for getting the divorce, I might wonder whether the couple ever really lived together after they married

I don't know whether court records of the divorce would still exist but you might want to look into that at the local courts, there could be very useful information, like where the papers were served on Michael (assuming he was the respondent as seems likely)

on the other hand if Michael was in the Royal Warwickshires one would think he enrolled after moving to Coventry since as far as I can see the Warks were never in Ireland ... but very possibly he did not maintain ties with the area if his estranged wife and child were his only connection with it

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Royal_Warwickshire_Regiment#Post_war_years

'Between 1945 and 1948, the regiment saw service in Palestine, then Korea between 1953 and 1954, Cyprus between 1955 and 1959, and then was based in the Arabian Peninsula from 1957 to 1960. In 1958, the depot in Warwick was closed and the regiment was reduced to a single regular battalion, sharing a depot in Strensall with the three other regiments of the Midland Brigade (renamed the Forester Brigade in 1958).'


I've just realised that it seems your wife's mum is still living and this may make some of this indiscreet ... but if she is, can she not tell (or has she never told) your wife whether Michael was Irish at least? :-)