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Hi,
I am searching for any descendants of James Thomas Porter and his wife Victorine Louisa Scholefield. They had 12 or 13 children and I am the granddaughter of their youngest child Martha Ann,
Regards
Pauline

Marriages Mar 1871


PORTER James Thomas Woolwich 1d 829 Scan available - click to view
Scholefield Victorine Louige Woolwich 1d 829

this must be them in 1881 census using his second name thomas

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Victrine Louiza Porter
England and Wales Census, 1881
Name Victrine Louiza Porter
Age (Original) 29
Gender Female
Birth Year 1852
Birthplace Ipswich, Suffolk, England
Relationship to Head of Household Wife
Marital Status Married
Address (Leeman Road) 6 Carlisle St
Event Place St Mary Bishopshill Junior, Yorkshire (East Riding), England
Record Type Household
Affiliate Publication Number RG11
Piece/Folio 4720 / 34
Page Number 4
HOUSEHOLD

ROLE

GENDER

AGE

BIRTHPLACE

Thomas Porter Head M 34 Gateshead, Durham, England
Victrine Louiza Porter Wife F 29 Ipswich, Suffolk, England
Arthur Porter Son M 9 Tipton, Staffordshire, England
John Porter Son M 4 Barrow In Furness, Lancashire, England
Thomas Porter Son M 7 Darlington, Durham, England
Walter Porter Son M 2 Greenwich, Kent, England

It would help if you tell us what research you have done yourself - have you used the Search All Members Trees function (top right under search) ? If anyone else has the same names as you have, send them a message explaining your connection and ask if they can help.

Following on from the 1881
1891
Name: Victorine Porter
Age: 40
Estimated birth year: abt 1851
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: Thomas Porter
Gender: Female
Where born: England
Civil Parish: Bramley
Ecclesiastical parish: St Thomas
Town: Bramley
County/Island: Yorkshire
Country: England

Registration district: Bramley
Sub registration district: Bramley
ED, institution, or vessel: 6
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 3673
Folio: 124
Page Number: 49
Household Members:
Name Age
Thomas Porter 45
Victorine Porter 40
Thomas Porter 17
Jack Porter 15 - (probably John)
Walter Porter 13
Elizabeth Porter 9 - York
James Porter 7 - York
Sarah Porter 5 - York
Alice Porter 2 -York
William Porter 2/12 - Bramley, Yorkshire
.......................................

Name: Norene Porter
[Victorine Louisa Porter]
Age: 49
Estimated birth year: abt 1852
Relation to Head: Wife
Gender: Female
Spouse: Thomas Porter
Birth Place: Ipswich, Suffolk, England
Civil Parish: Rotherham
Ecclesiastical parish: Kimberworth St Thomas
Town: Rotherham
County/Island: Yorkshire
Country: England

Registration district: Rotherham
Sub-registration district: North West Rotherham
ED, institution, or vessel: 21
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 4397
Folio: 110
Page Number: 25
Household schedule number: 168
Household Members:
Name Age
Thomas Porter 54 - Gateshead
Arthur Porter 29 - Tipton, Staffs
John Porter 23 - Barrow, Lancs
James Porter 17 - York, Yorkshire
Alice Porter 12 - Stanningsley, Yorkshire
Martha Porter 7 - Masbor' , Yorkshire
Henry Porter 10 - Stanningsley, Yorkshire
Norene Porter 49
...................

1911

Name: Victorine Porter
Age in 1911: 60
Estimated birth year: abt 1851
Relation to Head: Wife
Gender: Female
Birth Place: Ipwick, Suffolk, England
Civil Parish: Rotherham
County/Island: Yorkshire-West Riding
Country: England
Street address: 3 Back Edward St
Registration district: Rotherham
Registration District Number: 511
Sub-registration district: North West Rotherham
ED, institution, or vessel: 16
Piece: 28089
Household Members:
Name Age
Thomas Porter 65
Victorine Porter 60
Henry Porter 20

Married 40 years. 12 children born of whom 3 have died.

As you are descended from Martha Ann, you/we now have to work who died and trace the remaining 8

Arthur – 1872 - Tipton, Staffordshire,
John – 1877 - Barrow In Furness
Thomas 1874 - Darlington, Durham – not on 1901
Walter – 1879 – Greenwich -not on 1901
Elizabeth - 1882 – Yorkshire – not on 1901
James – 1884 – York, Yorkshire
Sarah – 1886 – Yorkshire – not on 1901
Alice – 1889 – Bramley or Stanningsley Yorkshire
William - 1891 – Bramley, Yorkshire
Henry – 1891 – Stanningley, Yorkshire
Martha 1894 – known about

11 children from census, so its possible that one of the missing ones was born and died between census

Birth
Arthur Porter
Registration Year: 1872
Registration Quarter: Jan-Feb-Mar
Registration district: Dudley
Parishes for this Registration District: Includes Tipton
Inferred County: Staffordshire
Volume: 6c
Page: 36

1911
Name: Arthur Porter
Age in 1911: 39
Estimated birth year: abt 1872
Relation to Head: Head
Gender: Male
Birth Place: Tipton, Staffordshire, England
Civil Parish: Rotherham
County/Island: Yorkshire-West Riding
Country: England
Street address: 356 Sheffield Rd Templeboro Nr Sheffield
Marital Status: Married
Occupation: Steel Labourer
Registration district: Rotherham
Registration District Number: 511
Sub-registration district: South East Rotherham
ED, institution, or vessel: 4
Piece: 28046
Household Members:
Name Age
Arthur Porter 39
Ellen Porter 31
Arthur Edward Porter 6 - Rotherham, Yorks

married 7 years, 2 children, of whome one has died.

Possibly Arthur Edward's marriage
Name: Arthur Porter
Spouse Surname: Elizabeth Fryer
Date of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec 1925
Registration district: Rotherham
Inferred County: Yorkshire West Riding
Volume Number: 9c
Page Number: 1530

Check Freebme for Porter/Fryer births to see if they had any children

Thank you so much DetEcTive and Malyon for all the work you have put in for me. I'm sorry I neglected to write that I had ten of the children's names including Sarah who died in Rotherham when she was only 8 years old, but I have never been able to find the remaining two children who died. I have marriages for Arthur, Thomas, John, Walter, James, Alice, William and of course my grandmother Martha - Elizabeth never married. I also have children for Arthur, Thomas, John, Walter, James, Alice and William, but even after checking all the associated trees that have the children's names, have never been able to come up with a living relative. When I posted my request in this forum it was because I hoped some living relatives might have known they were descended from James porter and Victorine Scholefield. So unfortunately I didn't give you the details I already knew. I Sincerely apologise.
Trying to find the missing two children has been hampered by the fact that James and Victorine travelled from one town to another while adding to their family, so I wouldn't know where to begin looking. It was only when they settled in Rotherham, where I was born, that I was able to find the children's marriages and their subsequent children. There just have to be some Porters living but I've never succeeded in finding them. If you are both still willing to help me I can give you the wives and children's names.
Thank you once again for your help , and again I apologise for not being more forthcoming,
Warm regards
Pauline

Hi again,
Something else to add and take away any confusion about the William in the 1891 census, born 1891 Bramley Yorkshire,I believe is the Henry born 1891 in Stanningley Yorkshire in the 1901 census as Williams second name is Henry. In the 1911 census he is also called Henry born 1891 Stanningley Yorkshire. I am almost certain William and Henry are the same person. With so many children it would have been easy to mix up the birth places I'm sure.
I had no marriage for Arthur's son, Arthur Edward, so thank you for that information - I will follow up on his children as you suggested.
Many thanks
Pauline

Smacked hands, perilous! :-D

Its unlikely that a descendent member of GR will stumble upon your thread- you have to go out and find them.

It might help if you were to make a list of the Porters with their full names including their year and place of birth to add to the thread.

One day in the future a descendent might come across the post and wish to contact you. Even if you let your sub lapse, make sure that the dormant account is always linked to current email address. That way they can purchase credits/take out a free trial and send you a message by clicking on your name.

If you have the names of people likely to be alive and living in England, Wales or Scotland, you might find their current address on http://www.searchelectoralroll.co.uk/Electoral_Roll_Search.asp
You’d need to check the given post code on a free search on http://www.192.com/?gkw=192+com
To see the last year listed.
Despite our own enthusiasm, not everyone is interested in FH and may not appreciate your interest.

It is possible to leave a Post’em against BMD index entries on http://www.freebmd.org.uk/
If you choose to do that, take out a generic email account on say @gmail or @hotmail so that you aren’t swamped by junk mail.

Estates which went to Probate can be found on
https://probatesearch.service.gov.uk/#wills
Until c1966, the names of the Executors are given.

If you wanted help to find a specific person, then by all means add their name/Yob/Pob and who and were they married and we'll do our best to find them.

Do remember that this is not a secure site so we must be careful not to divulge information which would invade their privacy. Also, it is against GRs T&C to add the names of living people (or rather the names of people likely to be living) to your tree without their permission. Even if you 'hide living relatives' the entries come up on a tree search.

Thank you once again DetEcTive for all your suggestions and especially for the electoral role site and how to find post codes.
I'll work on getting each family member of James Thomas Porters offspring, and any successive generations I have. Today I received an email from a second cousin in England who has found out a few more (sad) facts. James son, John Richard lost one son Edwin Arthur at three years of age, and John Richard himself died in an accident aged only 38. His son John Richard only lived till he was 28. Tragic for the whole family.
Well it's once again gone midnight here in Australia so I really must finish, but will definitely follow up on all your suggestions.
Warm regards
Pauline

Probably total coincidence but I was at school in Rotherham in the 50's/60's with a Susan Porter who would have been born 1945/6. She was a relative of the actor Eric Porter so this may be worth looking into?

Sue
Update - just Googled Eric Porter and saw a Family Announcement there from a family member trying to trace other relatives, esp Eric's Half Sister. No mention there tho of Rotherham, so - as I said - probably total coincidence!