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Thanks Malyon - no this is not him...well and truly in Liverpool...our mystery is that we know he died in London 1969/1970 but I can't find a death certificate...we are able to make contact with members of the family so hope to get to the bottom if this soon - a bit of a sad end to his life I think...

could he have gone abroad

RAYMOND W?
Passenger Lists leaving UK 1890-1960
Collections from
Australasia, Great Britain, Ireland, United States
Country
CANADA
Ship Name
ASCANIA
Birth Year
1934
Ship Departure Port
SOUTHAMPTON
Destination Port
MONTREAL
Departure Year
1956

So -another missing death certificate...was it quite common back then? Do you have a family tree on Ancestry.com? Would love to take a look and see if I can help at all...when people anglisise their names it becomes harder huh :-|

Sorry only just looked again at this thread

No am at a standstill with my paternal German grandads famlly .

They appear in 1889 as a son was born in Bradford Yorkshire ,have the cert, then on the 1891 and 1901 census . Only give place of birth as Germany,

Went to Kew to see if any naturalisation papers but none.

The mum Maria dies in the German Hospital Dalston in 1907 and the death cert shows they were living with one of the married sons who like my grandad had anglisied his name to Fasey. By 1911 the grt grandad had gone but doesn't show in the death records .no sign after 1901 either of the other two brothers including the one born in 1889.
Very frustrating ,they came to the UK stayed about 20 years then disappeared

:-(

did indeed malyon

http://tinyurl.com/q8dgdps

spouse's name matches the marriage (where Ancestry has transcribed the surname with a 'p' instead of an 'f' ...)

and the complete current contact info can be found by searching here and matching to that post code:

http://www.freeelectoralroll.co.uk/

did he have 2 sons raymond and david

they're fun to find in the censuses :-)


1861 in Scotland

John Walkinforth 30
Elizabeth Walkinforth 3
Emma Walkinforth 26

Name: John Walkinforth
Age: 30
Estimated birth year: abt 1831
Relationship: Boarder
Gender: Male
Where born: Bs, Prussia
Occupation: Ship Carpenter

Name: Emma Walkinforth
Age: 26
Estimated birth year: abt 1835
Relationship: Boarder
Gender: Female
Where born: England
Occupation: Ship Carpenter's Wife

Registration district: Tradeston
Civil Parish: Glasgow Govan
County: Lanarkshire
Address: 7, West Street


1881 in Liverpool

Emma Workerforth 46
Elizabeth Workerforth 21
Amanda Workerforth 10
Beartha Workerforth 8
Mary John 80
John Rogers 40


but no help there of course

the name is not common ...

have you considered this possibility?

https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:NZZR-VB4

Name Carl August Bernhardt Wockenfuss
Event Date 1828
Gender Male
Birth Date 04 Dec 1828
Birth Year 1828
Birthplace Stettin, Pommern, Preußen, Germany
Mother's Name Louise Wockenfuss
> no father named at familysearch


age 42 in the 1871 census would match a late 1828 birth

there are births earlier in the 1800s to Johann Daniel Wockenfuss and (Dorothea) Louisa Ehlers in Pommern, Preußen, Germany

Hi Paula, was he August?

Deaths Dec 1905
Wockenforth August 72 Toxteth Park 8b 121


1871 in Liverpool

August Wockenfoth 42
Emma Wockenfoth 36
Elizabeth Wockenfoth 13
Adolph Wockenfoth 9
Emily Wockenfoth 3


searching at http://www.freebmd.org.uk/cgi/search.pl for any record for name Wocken* the earliest entry is 1858

Births Dec 1858
Wockenfoth Elizabeth Haverfordwest 11a 625


here is their marriage

Marriages Mar 1856
John Emma Haverford W 11a 834
Workenforth Auguste HaverfordW 11a 834


do you have that certificate to see whether he named his father? ah yes probably since you are looking for his mother's name ...

Thanks Shirley - yes, we have all this - my mum is going to write..

Another thing - out of interest - how have you got on with finding any info re your German roots and researching the surname Fahse? I've been trying to find documents of when my last know Wockenforth came from Preuben (Prussia) - have lots of info from when he was once in this country but can't find any immigration or naturalization docs etc.. of course, the name was maybe spelled different (see initial post) and many sites are in German (which we can deal with as my husband speaks German)...phewie..its hard work'- I would love to find a birth certificate etc for him (born 1826) and who his mother was...

There's a contact address (Feb 2014) for presumably his son here - would you consider writing to him?

http://ukdatacentre.co.uk/person/1682585/Raymond+Wockenforth

No. Have now tried to contact some Wockenforths in Liverpool and am waiting to see if anyone contacts me...

I wondered if he was not identified?! :-0

Nothing coming up for him on the death records

No senior moment at your end!

Out of interest - are you having any success with your own search? Are you active in helping other people find theirs?

I can't really physically go to the various records offices as I am in The Netherlands...

Am just frustrated as there is no death recorded but also no "living" records for him - a mystery...

I thought I read it as 1958 and then thought I was having a senior moment when looking again and was 1935

Hi Shirley - thanks for the comment..I just notice I got the birth date wrong and amended it...

My mum has told me he did die in London - death maybe reported by neighbours and found by police etc...

The R Wockenforth on electoral rolls in 2003 is a Raymond T Wockenforth (I think his son...)...

A slightly delicate trace as we quite a colourful family I think... :-0

His wife and daughter are at the same address in 2004 maybe they opted out after then

He is on the electoral rolls to 2003 in Liverpool


Edit no that's his son also named Raymond

Well if he passed after 2005/6 then those deaths records aren't online I,m afraid

I am looking for information on a Raymond Wockenforth born in Liverpool in 1935.

I actually have quite a large amount of info and dates and think he may have passed but cannot find any death record for him.

One possible lead is that he died in London?

The surname has also been spelled Wockenfoth and Wockenfuss on some records as the family was descended from Prussia/Preuben in the late 1800's.

Any info would be helpful.

Many thanks