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Before the change in birth rights for an adoptee in the 1980s ,if they were lucky and happen to have knowledge of birth prior to this act ,,,,,,,,if they applied for their birth certificate which then had to be in person at Somerset House,they were only issued a short version,,this had nothing to do with protecting a birth parents privacy as none exsisted,,,,,and no promises were and never have been made to that effect.,regardless of the banded about notion that promises were made,,,,,,none ever were.

That certainly is logical...........

If the DOB isnt known for recent ie--45/50 years you could and often are asked reasons why its needed,if its for a legitimate reason it can be issued but descretion is always at the issuing end decision........refusal happens often.

,birth certificates for an adopted person are issued as that name no longer exsists in 99.9% of cases.,,,,,,,the certificate has little use beyond its valueable worth to the adoptee.

Thanks for the clarification, Kay.

Does the GRO site explain this anywhere?

Obviously,people have misunderstood, and therefore given inaccurate advice, but at least, now, those of us who are aware will not repeat the mistake

The DOB stricture is to prevent identity fraud..................although I'm not sure how well that works.

Well, that explains the Short Certificate confusion.
However, if one of the required fields for a BC within the last 50 years is the Date, how is that obstacle overcome?

I think what has been picked up birth registrations that were introduced from mid 1960s carries a letter beside the GRO public indexes and it keeps getting quoted that should an application be made for a certified copy of that registration that only a short certificate will be issued which shows no parentage or actual place of birth,,,,, keeps getting quoted and this simply isnt the case and the lettering is no indication of such.

I have no idea why people state only a short certificate will be issued, it certainly wasn't the case for me......I have a copy of my adopted brothers full cert, he was born 1945, when I applied for it I didn't know his first name and only a rough year of birth....

Mistyx

Edit.....I purchased it from registrar office where he was registered by our Mum, they did a search under her maiden name.....

So, Penny, why do people on here consistently state that when adoption has taken place, only a short cert will be issued to anyone applying for a copy............are they all wrong?

Penny - please explain how you can do that.

As an experiment, I've started to order a copy of an offspring's BC. GRO reference known.
The required fields are

Surname at birth *
Forename(s) *
Date of birth (dd/mm/yyyy)* <<<<<<<<<
Place of birth *
Father’s/Parent’s surname *
Father’s/Parent’s forename(s) *
Mother's maiden surname *
Mother's forename(s) *

So. Even if the other details are known, how does one get around the date of birth??

Jacqueline- the info you give is NOT correct. You certainly CAN buy a full birth certificate.

unless they were born after 1965 Jacqueline, which I think is the case for at least one probably

Martina seems to have herself in her tree here


Martina do you know the other person who seems to have you in her tree?

If they were adopted, you will not be able to purchase a full birth cert..........only a 'short' one, although it will tell you the actual DOB....................

Hello and welcome Martine

the full dates of birth will only be available from their birth certificates

if they were born less than 50 years ago, you can only get their birth certificates if you already know specific information like their mother's name and their full dates of birth

for births that recent it is a catch-22 and that is so that people cannot steal identities

The thing for you to do is register with the adoption contact register, have you done that? so that if they also register you can be put in touch

also to get access to your adoption file and see whether you can get any assistance from social services to place a note on their files, I am not sure but that may be possible ... others here will have more accurate info

be sure to put yourself and your brothers in your family tree here under your/their birth names (ordinarily other living people may not be put in trees without permission but their names will have been changed)

also click 'Watch this' at the top of this thread so if someone replies to it in future you should get a notice

and keep a current email address on file at this site so if someone contacts you, you receive a notice

you can also go to
http://www.freebmd.org.uk/cgi/search.pl
and find their births (if they are not too recent to be there yet)

and add a 'postem' with an email address (a permanent anonymous online account like at gmail is best) so anyone who searches for their births will be able to contact you

I am new to this site and looking for help please.

My birth mother gave myself and 2 brothers away and I'm trying to find my brothers they were born after me. I've managed to find their details on here but cannot find their dates of birth. I have the year they were born in.

Can anyone help me?

Can anyone point me in the right direction where to start?

Thank you for reading my post.

Regards
Martine