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Marina Report 30 Aug 2014 21:56

Thanks for the help, I had seen the William Henry from Bermondsey and also think it's the most likely as according to my mum he mentioned having a brother William and a sister Victoria, and it's the closest I can get to a William working on water!

But the only one of my relatives that are living ever mentions meeting any of his side of the family, a sister came to visit when he was small and that's it.It's very frustrating!
The Alfred H is my grandfather and I believe the H is for Henry like his father.

Alfred was 25 and Elsie was 22 when they got married. The marriage was witnessed by Elsie's mother Emily and a Winifred Ivy Harris.
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Refers to 1911 census
ArgyllGran Report 30 Aug 2014 18:40

This could be William Henry - but there's no sign of Alfred:


1911 England Census about William Henry Joyner
Name: William Henry Joyner
Age in 1911: 49
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1862
Relation to Head: Head
Gender: Male
Birth Place: Bermondsey, Surrey, England
Civil Parish: Bermondsey
County/Island: London
Country: England
Street address: 20 Keetons Rd, Bermondsey S E
Marital Status: Married
Years Married: 21
Estimated Marriage Year: 1890
Occupation: LIGHTERMAN <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Registration district: St Olave (Bermondsey)
Registration District Number: 24
Sub-registration district: Bermondsey
ED, institution, or vessel: 30
Piece: 1898
Household Members:
Name Age
William Henry Joyner 49
Harriet Joyner 44
Claressa Harriet Joyner 19
Rose Elizabeth Joyner 17
William Henry Joyner 14
Edith Violet Joyner 12
Elsie Victoria Joyner 10
Lilz (Lily) Ivy Joyner 7
Thomas Alfred Conderoy 84 - father-in-law
Elizabeth Conderoy 40 - sister-in-law
..............

The image says 6 children born, all living. All 6 are listed on the census.

Posting the full 1911 census that Yvonne found, but as Alfred names his father as William Henry Joyner, a seaman, its unlikley be the correct family. Good idea though.

Name: Alfred Joyner
Age in 1911: 6
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1905
Relation to Head: Son (Child)
Gender: Male
Birth Place: Sheerness, Kent
Civil Parish: Newington
County/Island: Kent
Country: England
Street address: No 3 Edwin Place, Newington, Sittingbourne, Kent
Registration district: Milton
Registration District Number: 61
Sub-registration district: Milton
ED, institution, or vessel: 12
Household schedule number: 129
Piece: 4428
Household Members:
Name Age
Frederick Joyner 33 - b Sheerness. Occ Painter
Ellen Joyner 37 - Strood, Kent
Frederick Joyner 13 - Queenborough
Bertie Joyner 12 - Sheerness
Arthur Joyner 9 - Sheerness
Alfred Joyner 6 - Sheerness
Reginald Joyner 2 - Halfway Houses, Minster nr Sheerness
(Halfway Houses is a recognised area, half way between Sheerness and Minster-in-Sheppey)

Hello Marina,
What was Alfred's address and occupation when he married in 1930, and who were the witnesses?

i put this on as i noted that your alfred and elsie had a son called reginald and that alfred in the 1911 census i put on above could have had a brother reginald

Reginald Joyner
England and Wales Census, 1911
Name: Reginald Joyner
Event Type: Census
Event Date: 1911
County: Kent
Parish: Newington
Sub-District: Milton
Registration District: Milton
Gender: Male
Age: 2
Birthplace: Holbury Horne Minster Sheerness, Kent
Record Type: Household

did alfred have brothers

Alfred Joyner
England and Wales Census, 1911
Name: Alfred Joyner
Event Type: Census
Event Date: 1911
County: Kent
Parish: Newington
Sub-District: Milton
Registration District: Milton
Gender: Male
Age: 6
Birthplace: Sheerness, Kent
Record Type: Household

I only put it on here, to try from a different angle, to see if anyone out there remembered a family member that disappeared of the radar, he might not have been a joyner at birth and many children were taken on by other members of extended family.
It's just meant to be a shot in the dark, all family's have their little story's and black sheeps in the family.

Ok, I'll try and answer all the questions as best I can, we only have a marriage certificate of his marriage to my nan in 1930 in kent, he did not talk about his family, the only tit bits we have are handed down info, therefor might not be accurate. As we cannot be sure where he was born we cannot get an sure of DOB. The death Jacqueline found is correct, he died when my mother was 12.
His father was shown as deceased on the marriage certificate.
He seems to have appeared out of nowhere as official stuff only picks him up from marriage onwards.

Probably not Joyner at birth...............and the 'father' was deceased when he married.

So much work done on the other thread...........posting again is simply not fair

Why does this ring bells?

ADDED........!!!!!!!



http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards/board/ancestors/thread/1344213

only 2 born in 1904 sheppey is in kent could be him?

Births Jun 1904 (>99%)
Joyner Alfred Edward G Birmingham 6d 160 view

Joyner Alfred William Sheppey 2a 1013

JOYNER ALFRED H 1904 1963 1963 England & Wales deaths 1837-2007 Ashford, Kent, England

death registered JFM

Was his father' around' when he married?

That rules that birth out then Kenneth.

If you have no birth certificate Marina, you can't be certain that your grandfather was born in London, or that he was born in 1904 as dates are often different to what you are told without a certificate to prove anything.

Kath. x

Alfred Joyner died 3rd quarter 1905 Mile End Old Town age 0

This is the only Alfred Joyner that I can see who was born in London around that time (1905):-

First name(s) ALFRED
Last name JOYNER
Birth year 1905
Birth quarter 3
Registration month -
Mother's last name -
District MILE END OLD TOWN
County London
Country England
Volume 1C
Page 416

Do you know the date of his birthday (even if the year is out from what you thought)?

Who did Alfred marry?

Kath. x

I'm trying to find any members of my grandfathers family, my grandfather, Alfred was born in 1904.His father's name was William Henry Joyner, a merchant seaman according to my grandparents marriage certificate. Alfred died in Kent in 1963 having not mentioned or had any contact with his parents or siblings as far as my mother, his daughter knows. The only info we have is that he was born in London, but we can find no evidence of that as far as birth certificates etc. We would love to hear from anyone who thinks they could be related to us, and fill in the blanks for us!