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More help please. I have found a burial for a Mary Ann Morie in Wetherby Yorks on 27th October 1871 but I can't find a birth certificate. Could this be the daughter of Robert John Moore and Mary nee Davy. Her parents lived in Wetherby so they took her to Wetherby to be buried possibly in a family plot.Hence why their daughter Mary Ann Moore was not with them when they went to Massachusetts because she had died. Surely a death certificate is needed for a burial. Can anyone please help me or verify that the name of Morie have been transcribed wrongly and it should be Moore and why no death certificate for either Manchester where Robert and Mary Moore lived in 1871 or Wetherby where Mary nee Davy family lived. If this is the case then this is not the family of the Mary Ann Moore I want.

http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards/board/ancestors/thread/1351313

and apparently other threads

John

'Thank you Yvonne.. I do believe you contacted me on Find Ancestors under Mary Ann Moore'

this sounds like you have a duplicate thread (against the rules) on the other board and Yvonne at least has posted in both

would you please be sure to add to that other thread that all this information has been found here and give a link to this thread

and fingers crossed that someone has not duplicated Detective's efforts there

I received a birth certificate for Mary Ann Moore yesterday and her parents are Robert John Moore and Mary Davy, born at the same address as in the 1871 census.So definetly the daughter of the Moores that went to Massachusetts

Moore is quite a common name. Add Mary to the mix and there are quite a few choices. We've all taken wrong turns at some point - occassionally it's a leap of faith!

If you are fairly certain that the Mary Ann in Lancashire is 'yours' then the US ones could be incorrect.

A copy of her BC will tell you if her mother was Mary Daly (or versions thereof)

Just looked at deaths for Manchester and in Lancashire and found no death for Mary
Ann Moore between 1871 and 1872 when the Moores left England, so presume she was left behind to be looked after. Have not been able to find her for 30 yrs until 1903 when she was in a Manchester workhouse with a daughter of her own in 1903
Manchester

Thank you Detective,
Oh my that is a surprise so they went out much earlier than I thought. I am now beginning to wonder if I am looking at the wrong Moores, because where is their other daughter Mary Ann Moore1870 , had she died or had she been given to someone to be looked after in England

Mary and daughter Sarah E?

Name: Mary Moore
Arrival Date: 16 Jul 1872
Birth Date: abt 1848
Age: 24
Gender: Female
Ethnicity/ Nationality: English
Place of Origin: England
Port of Departure: Liverpool, England and Queenstown, Ireland
Destination: United States of America
Port of Arrival: New York, New York
Ship Name: City of Montreal

She is listed as 'Wife' but no husband listed above her.
Sarah age 1

There is this, but family not listed with him

Name: Robert Moore
Arrival Date: 8 May 1872
Birth Date: abt 1845
Age: 27
Gender: Male
Ethnicity/ Nationality: English - census all say b Ireland
Place of Origin: England
Port of Departure: Liverpool, England and Queenstown, Ireland
Destination: United States of America
Port of Arrival: New York, New York
Ship Name: Canada

Do you mean this??

Name: Robert John Moore
Birth Date: 23 May 1845
Birth Place: Ireland
Age at Event: 30
Court District: Maine, Massachusetts, New Hampshire, and Vermont
Date of Action: 2 Dec 1875

2 Dec 1875 was the date of Naturalisation. I had seen that earlier, but the image has been incorrectly linked.

(The Masonic membership card gave a dob of Birth Date: 13 Jan 1846)

The 1930, census said that immigration was 1870, the 1920 and 1910 said 1872 - it might be a bit 'out'.

Kate was born in Mass on 26 Aug 1873 and Sarah c1871 in England. Immigration must have been between the two dates. If you have a gro reg for Sarah, that would give you a more accurate time scale.

There are incoming passengers lists, not that I can spot them with confidence. Robert may have travelled in advance to pave the way.

Would you know if they are listed on any passenger lists going out to Massachusetts. I found a naturalization for Robert John Moore as December 2 1875, would that be when they entered the USA

Wow thank you so much ,yes this is the family I am looking for. It appears there are no more living relatives, because it looks like neither James Davy Moore or Mary Fox Farnham nee Moore had children. I appreciate all you have done. The only descendants living now are via a daughter left behind in England when Robert John Moore and Mary Moore nee Davy went out to Massachusetts in 1874/5 ,she was only about 4 yrs old and spent a tragic life mostly in workhouses. This living family are California via their mother who married a GI in 1947 and are not aware that her great grandparents Robert John and Mary Moore emigrated out there in 1874/5 .She was my cousin and I know they are going to be blown away with your findings as I am. Thank you again.

Just to try to tie up a few loose ends

William Ellis Farnham
United States World War I Draft Registration Cards
Name: William Ellis Farnham
Event Type: Draft Registration
Event Date: 1917-1918
Event Place: East Orange City, New Jersey, United States
Gender: Male
Nationality: United States
Birth Date: 05 Jul 1878
Birthplace: , , United States
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:KZJD-HJ3

Possibly Mary's death, but not 100% certain
Name: Mary Farnham
SSN: 144-38-7920
Last Residence:
02740 New Bedford, Bristol, Massachusetts, USA
BORN: 5 Jan 1878
Died: Sep 1968
State (Year) SSN issued: New Jersey (1963)

Not sure if this is the same family, or a coincidence. The dob is wrong for William
Mary M Farnham in the New York, Passenger Lists,

Name: Mary M Farnham
Arrival Date: 15 Sep 1931
Birth Date: 5 Jan 1878
Birth Location: Louisiana
Birth Location Other: new bedford
Age: 53
Gender: Female
Port of Departure: Southampton, England
Port of Arrival: New York, New York
Ship Name: Olympic

Travelling with William E Farnham dob 7 May 1888?
Travelling to 42 South Clinton, East Orange NJ
No idea were Louisiana comes into it as there's nothing on the image.

UK, Incoming Passenger Lists, 1878-1960
Name: Mary M Farnham
Birth Date: abt 1878
Age: 53
Port of Departure: Quebec, Canada
Arrival Date: 10 Aug 1931
Port of Arrival: Southampton, England
Ship Name: Empress of Britain
Search Ship Database: Search for the Empress of Britain in the 'Passenger Ships and Images' database
Shipping line: Canadian Pacific Line
Official Number: 162582

With William, c/o Thomas Cook, Berkeley St, London

Different transcription for
Massachusetts, Marriage Records, 1840-1915

Name: Mary Fox Moore
Birth Year: abt 1878
Birth Place: New Bedford
Marriage Date: 1 Mar 1904
Marriage Place: New Bedford, Massachusetts, USA
Age at Marriage: 26
Father: Robert John Moore
Mother: Mary Davy
Spouse: William Ellis Farnham
Spouse Birth Place: Providence, Rhode Island
Spouse Age at Marriage: 25
Spouse Father: Joseph E C Farnham
Spouse Mother: Laura S Greene

May be? It was/is quite usual to use the maiden name as a middle one hence M instead of F. her husbands POB and occupation match with the marriage

1910 United States Federal Census
Name: Mary M Farnham
Age in 1910: 32
Birth Year: abt 1878
Birthplace: Massachusetts
Home in 1910: East Orange Ward 4, Essex, New Jersey
Race: White
Gender: Female
Relation to Head of House: Wife
Marital Status: Married
Spouse's Name: William E Farnham - Telephone linesman
Father's Birthplace: Ireland
Mother's Birthplace: England
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
William E Farnham 31
Mary M Farnham 32

1920 United States Federal
Name: Mary M Farnham
Age: 41
Birth Year: abt 1879
Birthplace: Massachusetts
Home in 1920: East Orange Ward 3, Essex, New Jersey
Street: Lenox Avenue
Race: White
Gender: Female
Relation to Head of House: Wife
Marital Status: Married
Spouse's Name: William E Farnham
Father's Birthplace: Ireland
Mother's Birthplace: England
Able to Speak English: Yes
Occupation: None
Able to Read: Yes
Able to Write: Yes

Household Members:
Name Age
William E Farnham 41 - local traffic manager, Telephone, Telegraph Co
Mary M Farnham 41
............

1930 United States Federal
Name: William E Farnham
Birth Year: abt 1879
Gender: Male
Race: White
Birthplace: Rhode Island
Marital Status: Married
Relation to Head of House: Boarder
Home in 1930: East Orange, Essex, New Jersey
Map of Home: View Map
Street address: South Clinton Street
Ward of City: Second pt
Block: x
Institution: x
House Number in Cities or Towns: 18
Dwelling Number: 38
Family Number: 221
Age at First Marriage: 25
Attended School: No
Able to Read and Write: Yes
Father's Birthplace: Massachusetts
Mother's Birthplace: Rhode Island
Able to Speak English: Yes
Occupation: Telephone Engineer
Industry: Telegraph and Telephone
Class of Worker: Wage or salary worker
Employment: Yes
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
William E Farnham 51
Mary M Farnham 52
.....................

1940 United States Federal Census
ondent: Yes
Age: 62
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1878
Gender: Female
Race: White
Birthplace: Massachusetts
Marital Status: Married
Relation to Head of House: Lodger's Wife (Lodger)
Home in 1940: East Orange, Essex, New Jersey

Street: 42 South Clinton Street
Inferred Residence in 1935: East Orange, Essex, New Jersey
Residence in 1935: Same House
Sheet Number: 81A
Institution: Hotel Alvord
Attended School or College: No
Highest Grade Completed: High School, 4th year
Weeks Worked in 1939: 0
Income: 0
Income Other Sources: Yes

William Farnham
Respondendent: Yes
Age: 61
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1879
Gender: Male
Race: White
Birthplace: Rhode Island
Marital Status: Married
Relation to Head of House: Lodger

So no children found on census for them!
..............

Unless there are any other children you know of, the US line is extinct

Kate Moore
Massachusetts, Birth Records, 1840-1915

Name: Kate Moore
Gender: Female
Birth Date: 25 Aug 1873
Birth Place: New Bedford, Massachusetts, USA
Father: Robert J Moore - Shoemaker
Mother: Mary Daly
Robert's pob looks like Milford Ireland?

1940 United States Federal Census
Name: Kate Moore
Age: 67
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1873
Gender: Female
Race: White
Birthplace: Massachusetts
Marital Status: Single
Relation to Head of House: Head
Home in 1940: New Bedford, Bristol, Massachusetts
Map of Home in 1940: View Map
Street: Park Street
House Number: 105
Farm: No
Inferred Residence in 1935: New Bedford, Bristol, Massachusetts
Residence in 1935: Same House
Sheet Number: 4A
Number of Household in Order of Visitation: 90
Occupation: Retired Principal
Industry: Public School
House Owned or Rented: Owned
Value of Home or Monthly Rental if Rented: 4000
Attended School or College: No
Highest Grade Completed: College, 2nd year
Class of Worker: Wage or salary worker in private work
Weeks Worked in 1939: 0
Income: 0
Income Other Sources: Yes
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
Kate Moore 67

So deffinatley no legitmate children!

Name: Kate Moore
SSN: 033-34-0649
Last Residence:
02740 New Bedford, Bristol, Massachusetts, USA
BORN: 26 Aug 1873
Died: 15 Aug 1967
State (Year) SSN issued: Massachusetts (1962)

Vermont, Death Records,
Name: James Davy Moore
Gender: Male
Birth Date: 30 Jun 1875
Birth Place: New Bedford, Mass
Residence Place: Jeffersonville, Vermont
Death Date: 16 Jun 1946
Death Place: Burlington, Chittenden, Vermont, USA
Father: Moore
Mother: Davy
Spouse: Ethel Simonds
Cause of Death: Intestinal Hemorrhage
Vital Event Type: Certificate of Death
(informant was Ethel Moore)

U.S., World War I Draft Registration Cards, 1917-1918
(12 Sep 1918)
Name: James Dary Moore
[James Davy Moore]
City: New Bedford
County: Bristol
State: Massachusetts
Birth Date: 30 Jun 1875
Race: White
Draft Board: 3

U.S., Find A Grave Index, 1600s-Current
Name: James D. Moore
Birth Date: 1875
Death Date: 1946
Cemetery: Jeffersonville Cemetery
Burial or Cremation Place: Jeffersonville, Lamoille County, Vermont, USA
Has Bio?: N
Spouse: Ethel A. Moore

Name: Ethel A. Moore
Birth Date: 1877
Death Date: 1972
Cemetery: Jeffersonville Cemetery
Burial or Cremation Place: Jeffersonville, Lamoille County, Vermont, USA
Has Bio?: N
Spouse: James D. Moore

Vermont, Death Records, 1909-2008
Name: Ethel Moore
Gender: Female
Birth Date: 10 Mar 1877
Birth Place: Vermont
Residence Place: Burlington, Vermont
Death Date: 6 Mar 1972
Death Place: Waterbury, Washington, Vermont, USA
Cause of Death: Renal Infarct
Veteran: Not applicable
Date Filed: 06 Mar 1972
Vital Event Type: Certificate of Death
(informant was the Vermont State Hospital)

Rather suspect that Ethel A Moore was the widow of Arthur L Ritchie as the year and pob match up. If that does turn out to be the case, they wouldn't have had any children

James D Moore???

1930 United States Federal Census

Name: James D Moore
Birth Year: abt 1875
Gender: Male
Race: White
Birthplace: Massachusetts
Marital Status: Single
Relation to Head of House: Boarder
Home in 1930: Bourne, Barnstable, Massachusetts
Map of Home: View Map
Street address: County Road - Bourne to Falmouthin Cataumet Village.
Dwelling Number: 12
Family Number: 12
Attended School: No
Able to Read and Write: Yes
Father's Birthplace: Ireland
Mother's Birthplace: England
Able to Speak English: Yes
Occupation: Painter
Industry: House Painter
Class of Worker: Wage or salary worker
Employment: No
Arthur L Ritchie 48
[33]
Ethel A Ritchie 52 - b Vermont
James D Moore 55

The first 2 names are husband and wife

1940 United States Federal Census
Name: James D Moore
Age: 60
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1880
Gender: Male
Race: White
Birthplace: Massachusetts
Marital Status: Married
Relation to Head of House: Head
Home in 1940: Boston, Suffolk, Massachusetts
Map of Home in 1940: View Map
Street: Waldeck Street
House Number: 81
Inferred Residence in 1935: Boston, Suffolk, Massachusetts
Residence in 1935: Same House
Sheet Number: 15A
Number of Household in Order of Visitation: 282
Occupation: Proprietor
Industry: Tairnery
House Owned or Rented: Owned
Value of Home or Monthly Rental if Rented: 5000
Attended School or College: No
Highest Grade Completed: Elementary school, 8th grade
Hours Worked Week Prior to Census: 48
Class of Worker: Working on own account
Weeks Worked in 1939: 0
Income: 0
Income Other Sources: Yes
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
James D Moore 60
Ethel Moore 57
Annie Oconnor 49

James D Moore
in the Massachusetts, Birth Records, 1840-1915

Name: James D Moore
Gender: Male
Birth Date: 30 Jun 1875
Birth Place: New Bedford, Massachusetts, USA
Father: Robert F Moore - Image says Robert J Moore
Mother: Mary

Parents born Ireland - occ shoemaker

Is this the 1880?

Name: Robert J. Moore
Age: 34
Birth Year: abt 1846
Birthplace: Ireland
Home in 1880: New Bedford, Bristol, Massachusetts
Race: White
Gender: Male
Relation to Head of House: Self (Head)
Marital Status: Married
Spouse's Name: Mary Moore
Father's Birthplace: Ireland
Mother's Birthplace: Ireland
Neighbors: View others on page
Occupation: Shoe Maker


Household Members:
Name Age
Robert J. Moore 34
Mary Moore 32- b England
Sarah E. Moore 9 - b England
Kate Moore 6 - b Mass
James D. Moore 4 - b Mass
Mary F. Moore 2 - b Mass
............

Hope that this hasn't already been posted elsewhere

Massachusetts, Mason Membership Cards, 1733-1990
Name: Robert John Moore
Birth Date: 13 Jan 1846
Death Date: 16 Jun 1930
Last Residence Place: New Bedford
Lodge: Eureka
Occupation: Shoe Maker
...............

1910 United States Federal Census
Name: Robert J Moore
Age in 1910: 63
Birth Year: abt 1847
Birthplace: Ireland
Home in 1910: New Bedford Ward 4, Bristol, Massachusetts
Race: White
Gender: Male
Immigration Year: 1872
[1873]
Relation to Head of House: Head
Marital Status: Widowed
Father's Birthplace: Ireland
Mother's Birthplace: Ireland

Household Members:
Name Age
Robert J Moore 63 - Shoemaker
Kate Moore 36 - Teacher
James D Moore 34 - machinist
.............

1920 United States Federal Census
Robert J Morrie
Age: 74
Birth Year: abt 1846
Birthplace: Ireland
Home in 1920: New Bedford Ward 4, Bristol, Massachusetts
Race: White
Gender: Male
Immigration Year: 1872
Relation to Head of House: Head
Marital Status: Widow
Father's Birthplace: Ireland
Mother's Birthplace: Ireland
Home Owned or Rented: Own
Able to Read: Yes
Able to Write: Yes
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
Robert J Morrie 74
Sarah E Moore 48
Kate Moore 45
Jas D Moore 43

1930 United States Federal Census
Name: Robert J Moore
Birth Year: abt 1846
Gender: Male
Race: White
Birthplace: Northern Ireland
Marital Status: Widowed
Relation to Head of House: Head
Home in 1930: New Bedford, Bristol, Massachusetts
Map of Home: View Map
Street address: Park
Ward of City: 4 Part of
Block: 1057
House Number in Cities or Towns: 105
Dwelling Number: 269
Family Number: 365
Home Owned or Rented: Owned
Home Value: 4000
Radio Set: Yes
Lives on Farm: No
Attended School: No
Able to Read and Write: Yes
Father's Birthplace: Northern Ireland
Mother's Birthplace: Northern Ireland
Language Spoken: English
Immigration Year: 1870
Naturalization: Naturalized
Able to Speak English: Yes
Occupation: Retired
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
Robert J Moore 84
Sarah E Moore 58
Kate Moore 56

Assuming that this is the correct family, we can discount descendents of Sarah and Kate.

Thank you Yvonne.. I do believe you contacted me on Find Ancestors under Mary Ann Moore who I know was the daughter of Robert John and Mary Moore and for some reason was left behind in England about the age of 10 yrs old, I know she was deaf and dumb, probably that's why, nether the less she was still a sister of this Mary Fosa.