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14 May 2015 13:53 |
One to get you started:
William Alfred in censuses 1891 and 1901 with first wife Elizabeth Alice Moore:
1891:
1891 England, Wales & Scotland Census
Swan Street, Bethnal Green, London, England William Bender Head Married Male 21 1870 Labourer Bow, Middlesex, England Elizabeth Bender Wife Married Female 19 1872 Cigar Maker Shoreditch, Middlesex, England Elizabeth Bender Daughter - Female 0 1891 - Bethnal Green, Middlesex, England
1901 England, Wales & Scotland Census
38, Busby Street, Bethnal Green, London, England
William Bender Head Married Male 31 1870 Waterside Labourer Mile End, Middlesex, England Elizabeth Bender Wife Married Female 29 1872 - Bethnal Green, Middlesex, England William Bender Son Single Male 8 1893 - Bethnal Green, Middlesex, England Stephen Bender Son Single Male 4 1897 - Bethnal Green, Middlesex, England Frederick Bender Son Single Male 1 1900 - Bethnal Green, Middlesex, England
(I can't actually find a death for Elizabeth Alice, unless her age has been woefully mistranscribed as 88 instead of 33 in 1905:
Deaths Mar 1905 Bender Elizabeth Alice 88 Bethnal G. 1c 113)
With second wife Alice Maud Ingram nee Holden and their amalgamated family:
1911 England, Wales & Scotland Census
25 Candy St N Bow E, Poplar Borough, London, England
William Alfred Bender Head - Male 40 1871 London Mile End Dock Labourer Alice Bender Wife - Female 34 1877 London Bow - Mary Ann Holden Sister Single Female 21 1890 London Bow Carboard Box Maker William Alfred Bender Son Single Male 19 1892 London Bethnal Green Brush Makerf Frederick Bender Son - Male 3 1908 London Bow - James Bender Son - Male 1 1910 London Bow n John Ingram Stepson - Male 12 1899 London Bow School Rosie Ingram Stepdaughter - Female 10 1901 London Bow School Henry Bender Son - Male 9 1902 London Bethnal Green School
Possible births post 1911:
Births Dec 1911 Bender Alice M Holden Poplar 1c 846
Births Jun 1914 BENDER Herbert S Holden Poplar 1c 874 S
Twins?
Births Mar 1916 Bender Doris M Holden Poplar 1c 781 Bender Elizabeth Holden Poplar 1c 781
Births Jun 1918 Bender Alfred G Holden Poplar 1c 411
Births Jun 1920 Bender Bessie V Holden Poplar 1c 854
Births Sep 1923 Bender Lilian I Holden Poplar 1c 667
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14 May 2015 13:03 |
Brother Alfred was discharged from the army on medical grounds. The records mention his wife Dorothy, so it is the right man:
First name(s) Alfred Last name Bender Service number g/8576 Regiment Middlesex Regiment Unit / Battalion 6th Battalion Event year 1915 Age 28 Birth year 1887 Birth town Southwark Birth county Surrey Birth country England Residence town - Residence county - Series WO 363 Record set British Army Service Records 1914-1920 Category Military, armed forces & conflict
He was a trade union member, and is listed here amongst those who served in the military.
First name(s) A Last name Bender Record year(s) 1914 Dates 1914 Union name National Society of Operative Printers & Assistants Union branch London Union branch (transcription) London County London Country England Record title Half-Yearly Reports Number of volumes 1 World War 1 records List of members on active service, obituary list including those killed on active service Information included Obituary lists for members & wives, lists of members receiving legal advice, lists of committee members & delegates, lists of recipients of benevolent fund payments, lists of recipients of unemployment payments, branch officers, photo of Fleet Street Division of St John Ambulance Brigade Report type Half-Yearly Report Record type Roll of Honour Archive Modern Records Centre Archive series reference MSS.39/NAT/4/1/9 Record set Britain, Trade Union Members, Service & Casualties 1914-1918
His card number was 3455.
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14 May 2015 12:09 |
As Kay said, you can use the information provided to trace the siblings and their spouses through the census (depending on when they married), on 'Search All member Trees' on this site to try and make contact with people who have your relations in their tree, and you can also use FreeBMD to look for children of the later marriages that have been posted, as after 1911 the mother's maiden name is supplied on the Birth index
http://www.freebmd.org.uk/cgi/search.pl
Eg look for:
Bender mmn Ingram EDIT this should be Bender mmn HOLDEN
( The transcription of the marriage said her father was John henry Ingram, but the image shows he was John Henry HOLDEN, and that Alice Maud was a widow.)
Bender mmn Lucken
Bender mmn Hockham
Bender mmn Mackman
Bender mmn Barrett
Snelgrove mmn Bender
Moody mmn Bender
mmn = mother's maiden name.
You'd also need to check out the census for children of those who married before 1911, especially for any children there might have been of the first marriage of William Alfred Bender to Elizabeth Alice Moore.
I posted the census information so you could see the parents of your Arnold Bender with their other children, to see that they corresponded with the marriages that have been posted on this thread.
You can also see that John Bender's occupation of printer/compositor/ letter press printer remains fairly constant over the censuses, and on the marriages of his children, and that other family members and in laws are often witnesses at the marriages, which all helps to show we have the same family of Benders.
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14 May 2015 10:25 |
1911 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription 131 Shakespeare Road Herne Hill S E, Lambeth, London, England
First name(s) Last name Relationship to household head Marital condition Gender Age Birth year Birth place Occupation Arnold Bender Head Married Male 25 1886 London Southwark Builders Clerk Transcription Florence Bender Wife Married Female 28 1883 London St Lukes - Transcription Arnold Bender Son - Male 1 1910 London Newington - Transcription
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14 May 2015 09:17 |
Thanks I think the Wagstaff Buildings Arnold is my Grandfather ! Such a lot to comprehend as I was always under the illusion that my grand father and my father were only children.
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14 May 2015 01:39 |
Family in census:
1871 England, Wales & Scotland Census
Luke Street, Stepney, Whitechapel, London, England
John Bender Head - Male 27 1844 - Middlesex, England Letter Press printer Jane Bender Wife - Female 25 1846 - Middlesex, England John Bender Son - Male 5 1866 - Middlesex, England Francis W Bender Son - Male 3 1868 - Middlesex, England William A Bender Son - Male 1 1870 - Middlesex, England
1881 England, Wales & Scotland Census
3, Wagstaff Builds, St Saviour Southwark, London, England John Bender Head Married Male 37 1844 Pressman Printers Middlesex, England Jane Bender Wife Married Female 35 1846 - Middlesex, England John Bender Son Single Male 15 1866 Errand Boy Middlesex, England Frank Bender Son Single Male 13 1868 Errand Boy Middlesex, England William Bender Son Single Male 11 1870 Scholar Middlesex, England Henry Bender Son Single Male 5 1876 Scholar Surrey, England Frederick Bender Son Single Male 3 1878 - Surrey, England Mark Baker Boarder Single Male 19 1862 Horse Hair Washer Surrey, England William Baker Boarder Single Male 28 1853 Potman Licd Victr Unemployed Surrey, England
1891 England, Wales & Scotland Census
Wagstaff Buildings, Guildford Court, St Saviour Southwark, London, England
John Bender Head Married Male 47 1844 Printers Pressman Bethnal Green, Middlesex, England Jane Bender Wife Married Female 45 1846 - Bethnal Green, Middlesex, England Henry Bender Son Single Male 16 1875 Printer Southwark, Middlesex, England Frederick Bender Son Single Male 14 1877 Fishmongers Assistant Southwark, Middlesex, England Jane Bender Daughter - Female 9 1882 Scholar Southwark, Middlesex, England Emma Bender Daughter - Female 7 1884 Scholar Southwark, Middlesex, England Arnold Bender Son - Male 5 1886 Scholar Southwark, Middlesex, England <<<<<<< Alfred Bender Son - Male 3 1888 - Southwark, Surrey, England
1901 England, Wales & Scotland Census
Wagstaff Buildings, 4, Sumner Street, St Saviour Southwark, London, England Jane Bender Head Widow Female 52 1849 - Spitalfields, Middlesex, England Harry Bender Son Single Male 25 1876 Engineer's Labourer Southwark, Surrey, England Jane Bender Daughter Single Female 19 1882 Tea Packer Southwark, Surrey, England Emma Bender Daughter Single Female 17 1884 Envelope Stamper Southwark, Surrey, England Arnold Bender Son Single Male 15 1886 Mercantile Clerk Southwark, Surrey, England<< Alfred Bender Son Single Male 13 1888 - Southwark, Surrey, England
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14 May 2015 00:45 |
According to census 1911, widowed Jane Bender states she had 12 children born of her marriage, 4 of whom were deceased by the time of the 1911 census.
If Frederick is one of the deceased, then there are 3 other offspring to find.
Looks like one of them was an earlier Jane:
Name: Jane Bender Record Type: Baptism Baptism Date: 24 Mar 1872 Father's name: John Bender Mother's name: Jane Bender Parish or Poor Law Union: Bethnal Green St James the Great Borough: Tower Hamlets Register Type: Parish Registers
Father John a printer:
Her death?
Deaths Dec 1875 BENDER Jane 3 St. Saviour 1d 19
this was the Jane who survived:
Name: Jane Mary Ann Bender Record Type: Baptism Baptism Date: 26 Jun 1881 Father's name: John Bender Mother's name: Jane Bender Parish or Poor Law Union: Southwark St Peter Borough: Southwark Register Type: Parish Registers
Father John a printer
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14 May 2015 00:38 |
I think Frederick may have died relatively young:
Births Sep 1877 BENDER Frederick James St. Saviour 1d 16
Name: Frederick James Bender Record Type: Baptism Baptism Date: 8 Jul 1877 Father's name: John Bender Mother's name: Jane Bender Parish or Poor Law Union: Southwark St Peter Borough: Southwark Register Type: Parish Registers
Possible death, in right area, but no middle name:
Deaths Mar 1900 Bender Frederick 22 St. Saviour 1d 8
There is a marriage for a Frederick Bender in Islington in 1896
Marriages Dec 1896 Bender Frederick Islington 1b 692 Juler Alfred Islington 1b 692 Klumper Mary Islington 1b 692 Stevens Jessie Islington 1b 692
but the census shows him to a several years younger than frederick the son of John and Jane., so I don't think he's the relative you were looking for. Census 1901:
1901 England, Wales & Scotland Census
2, Arundel Place, Islington, London, England
Frederick Bender Head Married Male 31 1870 Watch Maker Jobber - Mary Bender Wife Married Female 32 1869 - Bow, Middlesex, England Alice Krumper Sister-In-Law Single Female 29 1872 Cartridge Case Maker Bow, Middlesex, England Annie Bender Daughter - Female 1 1900 - Islington, Middlesex, England
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14 May 2015 00:13 |
THis brother was a widower when he married in 1907. Father John was a deceased printer. Witnesses were John Holden and Eleanor Bigwood:
Name: William Alfred Bender - widower Estimated Birth Year: abt 1872 Age: 35 Spouse: Alice Maud Ingram Spouse Age: 30 Record Type: Marriage Event Date: 21 Jul 1907 Parish: St Mark, Victoria Park Borough: Tower Hamlets Father Name: John Bender Spouse Father: John Henry Ingram Register Type: Parish Register
Previous marriage?
Marriages Sep 1889 BENDER William Alfred St. Saviour 1d 229 <<<< Moore Elizabeth Alice St. Saviour 1d 229 NEAL Beaufoy Elizabeth St Saviour Southwark 1d 229 ORRISS Robert St.Saviour 1d 229
Yep.
Father John a printer. Witnesses Jane Bender and John Bender.
Name: William Alfred Bender Estimated Birth Year: abt 1868 Age: 21 Spouse: Elizabeth Alice Moore Spouse Age: 19 Record Type: Marriage Event Date: 4 Aug 1889 Parish: St Peter, Southwark Borough: Southwark Father Name: John Bender Spouse Father: Stephen Moore Register Type: Parish Register
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13 May 2015 23:57 |
Another brother:
Father John a deceased compositor. Witnesses were Joseph Haydon Moody (see marriage for one of the Bender girls) and Alfred Henry Barrett
Name: Alfred Bender Estimated Birth Year: abt 1888 Age: 25 Spouse: Dorothy Barrett Spouse Age: 24 Record Type: Marriage Event Date: 19 Jan 1913 Parish: St Saviour, Southwark Borough: Southwark Father Name: John Bender Spouse Father: Alfred Barrett Register Type: Parish Register
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13 May 2015 23:50 |
Another brother. Father John a Printer. Witnesses J Lucken and Rose Meek
Name: Francis William Bender Estimated Birth Year: abt 1867 Age: 20 Spouse: Mary Ann Alice Lucken Spouse Age: 20 Record Type: Marriage Event Date: 14 Nov 1887 Parish: St John the Evangelist, Walworth Borough: Southwark Father Name: John Bender Spouse Father: Edward Lucken Register Type: Parish Register
Another brother. Father John a deceased letter pressman. Witnesses Arnold Bender and Eliza Lydia Harris
Name: Henry George Bender Estimated Birth Year: abt 1875 Age: 29 Spouse: Elizabeth Mackman Spouse Age: 27 Record Type: Marriage Event Date: 25 Dec 1904 Parish: Christ Church, Southwark Borough: Southwark Father Name: John Bender Spouse Father: George Mackman Register Type: Parish Register
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13 May 2015 23:37 |
Another sister
Looks like an Emma Bender and a Henry Bender were witnesses. Father John a deceased printer.
Name: Jane Mary Ann Bender Estimated Birth Year: abt 1881 Age: 20 Spouse: Joseph Haydon Moody Spouse Age: 22 Record Type: Marriage Event Date: 4 Aug 1901 Parish: St Saviour, Southwark Borough: Southwark Father Name: John Bender Spouse Father: Joseph Haydon Moody Register Type: Parish Register
A brother:
Father John was a printer . Witnesses were Mark Baker and Jane Bender
Name: John Bender Estimated Birth Year: abt 1865 Age: 21 Spouse: Martha Caroline Hockham Spouse Age: 20 Record Type: Marriage Event Date: 10 Oct 1886 Parish: Christ Church, Southwark Borough: Southwark Father Name: John Bender Spouse Father: Thomas Hockham Register Type: Parish Register
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13 May 2015 22:20 |
es 1538-1973 Transcription.
First name(s) Emma Last name Bender Name note - Age 19 Marriage year 1903 Marriage date 16 Mar 1903 Marriage place Southwark, Surrey, England Father's first name(s) John Father's last name Bender Mother's first name(s) - Mother's last name - Spouse's first name(s) James Snelgrove Spouse's last name Smith Spouse's father's first name(s) John Spouse's father's last name Smith Spouse's mother's first name(s) - Spouse's mother's last name - Residence Southwark, Surrey, England Place Southwark County Surrey Country England Record set England Marriages 1538-1973 Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records Subcategory Marriages & divorces Collections from Great Britain.
This is one sisters marriage.
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13 May 2015 21:06 |
Arnold Bender United Kingdom, World War I Service Records Name: Arnold Bender Event Type: Military Service Event Year: 1917 Age: 31 Military Company/Regiment: Royal Army Service Corps Military Regiment: S/310121 Birth Year (Estimated): 1885 Birthplace: Southwark, Surrey, England
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13 May 2015 20:39 |
There are others on this site who have his name in their tree.
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13 May 2015 20:37 |
This must be his birth:
Births Dec 1885 Bender Arnold St. Saviour 1d 21
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13 May 2015 20:33 |
,,,,,,,the Bender/Martin marriage 1908,,,,,,,,work each Bender name from the census working back then forward to see who got married and if any children were born to that couple,,,,,the male Bender line would be the easiest to follow.,then you may pick up a link by a tree search on this site,,,,
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13 May 2015 20:32 |
Here's the marriage so we know when this was:
Marriages Sep 1908 BENDER Arnold Holborn 1b 1370 MARTIN Florence Louise Holborn 1b 1370
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13 May 2015 20:30 |
Do you have any idea of when or where he was born?
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13 May 2015 20:08 |
I have recently found that my Grand Father Arnold Bender married to Florence Louisa Martin , had 8'brothers and Sisters and would like to find information about these newly found Rellatives .
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