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Hi everyone. I don't have living relatives I can ask, so your help would be appreciated: I am drawing a blank when searching for descendents of my great uncle ARCHIBALD ANNAL, b. Leeds, Yorkshire 1887-1977. I have his marriage to HILDA BARKER in 1907 and the birth of one child, also named ARCHIBALD ANNAL b.1907. Firstly I am questioning if Archibald Jr was the only child of Archibald and Hilda. If not who were his siblings? Secondly Archibald Jr married BEATRICE HADWIN (born 1915) in 1934. Were there only 3 children from this marriage - SHIRLEY (1937) GEOFFREY (1939) and RICHARD (1943)? It's puzzling me why I cannot find death records for Archibald Jr and Beatrice. I searched records in UK, USA and Canada. It's odd that I cannot find marriages and children for the 3 grandchildren named above. Did they all emigrate? Thanks in anticipation for any help you can give. :-)

Just for my reference

Name: Archibald Amal
[Archibald Annal]
Age in 1911: 24
Estimated birth year: abt 1887
Relation to Head: Son
Gender: Male
Birth Place: Leeds, Yorkshire, England
Civil Parish: Leeds
County/Island: Yorkshire-West Riding
Country: England
Street address: 11 Greenhow Terr Leeds Yorkshire
Marital Status: Married
Occupation: Lithographer
Registration district: Leeds
Registration District Number: 500
Sub-registration district: Kirkstall
ED, institution, or vessel: 9
Piece: 27062
Household Members:
Name Age
James Thomas Amal 52
Elizabeth Amal 52
Richard Amal 12
Archibald Amal 24 <<<<
Hilda Amal 20 <<<<
Gertrude Amal 26

Baptism

Name: Archibald Annal
Parish: Burley, St Columba
Baptism Date: 16 Oct 1907
Father's name: Archibald Annal
Mother's name: Hilda Annal

Archibald senior is a printer on that baptosm record so I would think this is him on

UK, Incoming Passenger Lists, 1878-1960

Name: Archibald Annal
Birth Date: abt 1888
Age: 24
Port of Departure: St John, New Brunswick, Canada
Arrival Date: 7 Apr 1912
Port of Arrival: Liverpool, England
Ports of Voyage: Halifax
Ship Name: Victorian
Search Ship Database: Search for the Victorian in the 'Passenger Ships and Images' database
Shipping line: Allan Line
Official Number: 121216

Possible?

Australia, Electoral Rolls, 1903-1980
CENSUS & ELECTORAL ROLLSView Image
NAME: Beatrice Mary Annal
RESIDENCE: 1954 - city, La Trobe, Victoria, Australia

Australia, Electoral Rolls, 1903-1980
1930SView Image
NAME: Archibald Annal
RESIDENCE: 1954 - city, La Trobe, Victoria, Australia ( up to 1972 )

The above from Ancestry index but i don't have worldwide access

http://www.naa.gov.au/collection/search/index.aspx

Passenger list to Australia 1950 showing family

Passenger arrivals index, 1921-1950


Sort order: Family name Ship/aircraft Date of arrival
Passenger FAMILY NAME,
Given names Title Alternative FAMILY NAME,
Given names Ship/aircraft name

ANNAL, A Mr CHESHIRE

Port of embarkation
Port of disembarkation
Date of arrival
Liverpool Melbourne 24 Apr 1950



ANNAL, B M Mrs CHESHIRE

Port of embarkation
Port of disembarkation
Date of arrival
Liverpool Melbourne 24 Apr 1950


ANNAL, G Master CHESHIRE

Port of embarkation
Port of disembarkation
Date of arrival
Liverpool Melbourne 24 Apr 1950

Barcode no
30149950



ANNAL, R Master CHESHIRE

Port of embarkation
Port of disembarkation
Date of arrival
Liverpool Melbourne 24 Apr 1950

Barcode no
30149950

ANNAL, S M Miss CHESHIRE

Port of embarkation
Port of disembarkation
Date of arrival
Liverpool Melbourne

I am wondering about this child, can only find her birth and death

Births Mar 1911 (>99%)
Annal Evelyn Leeds 9b 361

England & Wales, Death Index, 1916-2007

NAME: Evelyn Annal
BIRTH: abt 1911
DEATH: Jun 1965 - Leeds, Yorkshire West Riding, England

edit, she is the daughter of Archibald senior's brother.

Name: Ellyn Annal
Age in 1911: 3/12
Estimated birth year: abt 1911
Relation to Head: Daughter
Gender: Female
Birth Place: Leeds, Yorkshire, England
Civil Parish: Leeds
County/Island: Yorkshire-West Riding
Country: England
Street address: 21 Lumley Rd Burley Leeds
Registration district: Leeds
Registration District Number: 500
Sub-registration district: Kirkstall
ED, institution, or vessel: 19
Piece: 27072
Household Members:
Name Age
James Henry Annal 29
Lily Annal 25
Ellyn Annal 3/12

Hi Rambling Rose, thanks for your help once again. Thanks Jacqueline.
James Henry Annal was my maternal grandfather and Lily my Grandmother. Evelyn is their daughter (my Mum's sister) who I knew well. She died unmarried 1965. So I can confirm that Evelyn is not a child of Archibald Sr. For a long time Archibald's family details have been missing from my tree and I can now see why I couldn't find anything in BMD's after 1950. It has to be them on the passenger list for Melbourne 1950. The initials match for all 3 children Shirley's middle name began with M (I don't have her full name) so I am convinced now that they moved to Melbourne in 1950. Well done for that Rambling Rose.
If anyone can find any marriages, children and deaths following on from this in Australian records I'd be very grateful. Great result and thank you so much xx

John as I think I may have some info on Geoffrey will send a message,

Archibald Annal
Birth Year: abt 1908
Age: 68
Death Place: Sale, Victoria
Father's name: Archibald
Mother's name: Hilda Bareer
Registration Year: 1976
Registration Place: Victoria
Registration Number: 17923

Name: Archibald Annal
Gender: Male
Electoral Year: 1972
Subdistrict: Dandenong North
State: Victoria
District: Holt
Country: Australia

Also there Beatrice Mary

Beatrice Mary Annal
Gender: Female
Electoral Year: 1980
Subdistrict: Sale
State: Victoria
District: Gippsland
Country: Australia

Just to update until John can confirm here, I have sent some info on the burial place of Archibald and Beatrice, and a couple of ( fairly sure) methods to contact one of their sons. Which John is pursuing

:-)

Thanks for the update Rose.

Geoffrey Annal
Gender: Female
Electoral Year: 1963
Subdistrict: Moorabbin
State: Victoria
District: higinbotham
Country: Australia

No idea why the above says female. At the same address June Helena Annal

Not seeing any children listed on the ERs with Geoffrey and June.


Name: June Helena Annal
Birth Year: abt 1940
Age: 40
Death Place: Greensborough, Victoria
Father's name: Herbe Mcdonald
Mother's name: Joan
Registration Year: 1980
Registration Place: Victoria
Registration Number: 07089

Hi Rootgatherer.
Thanks for that info. Much appreciated. Mother's name Hilda Barker is correct. I am wondering if anything is coming up in Oz BMD's for Geoffrey's siblings Shirley M Annal b.1937 and Richard Annal b.1943. I also believe, through Facebook, that Geoffrey has a son (possibly nephew) Grant Annal. I haven't been able to establish contact through messaging on FB as yet. Please can you help further with this? Many thanks again. :-)

John re Facebook, when you send a message on there to someone who has not added you as a 'friend', the message goes to their "other" message box...Geoffrey may not have noticed there is a message there yet. As well as sending a message, send a "friend request".

If there's no luck with that, I would suggest a letter to both of the G Annal addresses.

I would make a guess that the Shirley who is in the photos on Geoff's FB page could be his sister in her married name, they have a similar look about them?

Thanks Rose,
I have sent friend request a few days ago and waiting response, Also posted message on his timeline. Didn't notice Shirley. Will check her out. Thanks again.