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Kay is that Wyke ash Ethel you have found?

Kay it was in Farnham

Diane,did your mother get adopted in London?

Yes Rose this is my Mum , iI was told that Ethel was living there with a couple by the name of Clark ,Surrey history centre found this for me ,on Mums birth cert it gives an address in Farncombe , this address she was also lodging I have had this confirmed by the Granddaughter of the lady who owned it at the time , the Grandmother took in lodgers during the war

The 1946 to Mr Roberts cant be her,,,,,,,,as in 1945 she was Roberts,,,,,a Miss E Sutherland married in 1946 to Mr Roberts ,the confusion is caused by the marriage took place in London.....and you may have contacted an unrelated person.

There is a Farnham registered birth in 1911 for E M Roberts.then being 34/5 in 1945.
Have you contacted Surrey local history soc to see if they hold any electorals for 1940-1945,,,,,they may tell you the names who lived at the home address at the time.

Who was living with Ethel in 1946?

Rose

If this is your mother's birth, where does Sutherland come into it?

Births Jun 1945
Roberts Susan Roberts Surrey S.W. 2a 799

Rose

Hi Kay , I tried this route originally I was able to trace Ethel up until 1946 her last address was prospect cottages in Farnham, the only records held in county archives is a register from the hospital where my Mum was born but all it had was Mums name , Ethels name and the date Mum was born the only route since I have been able to take since is post office records for her , the only ones found are on bmd of her originally being a Sutherland and in 46 marrying a roberts in Lewisham and then in 51 marrying a Deves it perhaps maybe not her I've yet again hit a brick wall as I've contacted who I believe is her son but sadly he has yet to reply :-(

If it was a private adoption then there wont be any paperwork as such.

Can you not take the route from the home address (if any)on the original birth certificate.

Sometimes paperwork is archived in county record offices from that time,,,,,,but then it was Welfare and not social services and they didnt go into great details as is done nowdays.

Hi Shirley,
The answer to your question is no ,we applied to both Social services for the area of Mums birth and adoption also the court which dealt with the adoption but sadly both came back saying they had done a thorough search but nothing found , we know the adoption hapoened as we have the application and order ...all very strange! :-(

you may have the adoption cert but does you mum have her adoption file ?

The 1946 marriage doesnt have a middle name.

How old was she in 1945 it maybe in the adoption paperwork.although at that time the filing wasnt as detailed.

how could she be Roberts nee Sutherland if your mums birth shows the mmn as Roberts

that indicates she wasnt married

I would doubt anyone would just know of her

have you tried looking for her birth and the marriage

Update ....apparently Ethel became a Roberts through Marriage , her original name was Sutherland so if anyone who is related to an Ethel Margaret Sutherland /Roberts who worked for the Post office during the 1940s/50s please get in touch !??

Hello Again ,i have also found out through Google etc there were a lot of Roberts in the area at the time many being Traveller families ? thank you both for helping, i felt that i was reaching a dead end as have been looking for years and Mum will be 70 in may i just feel she need to know as she has been mentioning things quite a lot recently x

I have spoken to Surrey Social services they have said they would email me if they find anything though very doubtful as they think Mums adoption was private?

Hi Jacqueline and Shirley

Yes Mum was adopted, this happened in the September we have her adoption cert and also Mums birth cert ....no Father mentioned all we know is Ethel worked for the GPO as a officer at the time

Kind regards

Diane

Diane

If your mother was adopted, do you know if she has her adoption file?

Thanks Shirley.......missed that one

I assumed that 'M' (Mary) would be on the birth record