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Marilyn
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25 Dec 2014 11:34 |
Merry Christmas toooo, ours is just coming to an end.
Yes I'm descended from Albert Henry (decd when I was one) my dad was His 3rd born Albert Henry also.
Blessings to you and yours, Marilyn x
Is it snowing ??
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Gritty
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25 Dec 2014 08:04 |
Morning Marilyn- Happy Christmas
Yes, Louisa married William Samuel Garwood- original certificate is on Ancestry. Her sister Emma was a witness to the marriage, so I imagine they were close.
Which of the 8 children of Mary and Joseph are you descended from- is it Albert?
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The West Australian Tuesday 25 March 1952
MURPHY: On March 23, 1952, at Home of Peace, Albert Henry. loving husband of Susannah. loved father of George. William, Albert, Kathleen (Mrs. Daniels), Mary (Mrs. Perry). Laurel, Joe, May (Mrs. Wood). Donald, Allan, Margery, Gordon and Kerry: aged 63 years. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Also worth noting- in your earlier post you mention that Mary's (Birch) mother is Elizabeth Bradbury. I haven't had time to look into it, but other trees on ancestry suggest her parents were Joseph Birch and Ellen Munday- so that might be worth checking.
I'm in England. I may not be around much the next couple of days- we have a mad house of family over for Christmas, but will check back when I can.
Good luck with your searching, and have a lovely day.
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Marilyn
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25 Dec 2014 02:01 |
Fabulous help Thankyou sooooo much - will get on Ancestry.
Garwood ? This is the married name of Louisa ?? Is it not ?
Can I ask are you and gritty in England ?
Great Christmas presents :-D <3 :-D
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Jacqueline
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24 Dec 2014 22:58 |
Marilyn
Ancestry is FREE until midnight 26th...........check it out
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Gritty
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24 Dec 2014 22:27 |
and just to confirm info above, this is Harry Hayes Service record- 2 children, Dorothy and Roland:
Name: Harry Hayes Gender: Male Birth Date: abt 1876 Age at Enlistment: 39 Marriage Date: 10 Jun 1911 Marriage Place: St Michaels Southfields Wandsworth Residence Place: 74 Pubborough Rd, South Field SW Document Year: 1915 Regimental Number: 134723 Regiment Name: Royal Army Medical Corps Number of Images: 18 Form Title: Short Service Attestation Other Records: Search for 'Harry Hayes' in other WWI collections
Family Members: Name Relation to Soldier Harry Hayes Self (Head) Emma Rhoda Spouse Dorothy Marjorie Hayes Child born 17 August 1913 Roland Garwood Lee Hayes Child born 1st May 1915 -----------------------------------------------------------------------------
And this is possible marriage for Roland:
Name: Roland G L Hayes Spouse : Amy E Flooks Date of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep 1943 Registration district: Southampton Inferred County: Hampshire Volume Number: 2c Page Number: 32
Roland does appear to travel around quite a bit. -------------------------------------------------------------------
Royal Artillery attestations 1883-1942 First name(s) Roland Garwood Lee Last name Hayes Service number 828956 Former service number - Attestation year 1933 Record set Royal Artillery attestations 1883-1942 Category Military, armed forces & conflict
Roland and his wife, Amy, had three children born Southampton :-D
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Gritty
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24 Dec 2014 22:23 |
Child of Emma & Harry Hayes:
Birth: Name: Roland G L Hayes Mother's Maiden Name: Murphy Registration Year: 1915 Registration Quarter: Apr-May-Jun Registration district: Wandsworth Inferred County: London Volume: 1d Page: 1337 -------------------------------------
In 1916 (age 15) he leaves England- going to Canada. His nearest relative is listed as a Mr Hayes of Pulborough Road, Southfields. When I checked this address in the electoral Register, Harry Hayes was living there.
Passenger list: Name: Roland G L Hayes Gender: Male Age: 15 Birth Year: abt 1916 Birth Country: England Date of Arrival: 5 Apr 1931 Vessel: Laurentic Port of Arrival: Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada Port of Departure: Liverpool, England Nearest relative: Mr Hayes Pulborough Rd, Southfields ----------------------------------------------------------------
1915 Electoral register: Harry Hayes 74 Pulborough Road
1928 Electoral register: 74 Pulborough Road, Southfields Harry Hayes Emma Rhoda Hayes ------------------------------------------------------------------
Emma's son Roland, returns to UK for a time in 1932:
Passenger List: Name: Roland G Hayes Birth Date: abt 1914 Age: 18 Port of Departure: Montréal, Québec, Canada Arrival Date: 5 Dec 1932 Port of Arrival: Liverpool, England Intended address: 74 Pulborough Road Ship Name: Montrose Shipping line: Canadian Pacific Line Official Number: 145919 --------------------------------------------------------------
And in 1939 he's listed on the electoral register:
1939 Electoral Register 74 Pulborough Road, Southfields Harry Hayes Emma Rhoda Hayes Dorothy Marjorie Hayes Roland Lee Garwood Hayes
Harry and Emma are still at 74 Pulborough Road in 1950
Emma R still living there in 1961 -no Harry with her, but a Dorothy G Bushby also residing. ---------------------------------------------------------------------
Just in case it's related, in 1913 a Douglas William Vergette was listed at 74 Pulborough Road (before Harry and Emma moved in)
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Marilyn
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24 Dec 2014 20:36 |
This is so exciting, filling in so many gaps :-D :-D <3
Thankyou so much Marilyn.
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Marilyn
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24 Dec 2014 20:32 |
Thanks Gritty,
Didn't see above info :-D :-D :-D :-D
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Marilyn
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24 Dec 2014 20:29 |
The Birch family came from the West Wycombe Buckinghamshire district - the grandmother I think was Eluzabeth Bradbury/Birch , maybe the girls are with her ?
I think Rose is Rosalyn, maybe there is another family called Mary & Joseph too.
No luck with any descendents of the Garwood or Hayes families.
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Gritty
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24 Dec 2014 15:18 |
1926 Electoral Register
10 Lainson Street. Southfield, S.W 18
Mary Murphy (Mrs) Ernest William Jeffery Alice Jeffery --------------------------------------
British Army Service Records 1914-1920 First name(s) Ernest William Last name Jeffery Service number 1687 Regiment London Regiment Unit / Battalion 60th London Divisional Series WO 364 Next of Kin: Mrs A M Jeffery (wife) of 10 Lainson Street, Southfields -----------------------------------------------------------------
1937 Electoral Register:
10 Lainson Street, Southfield
Minnie Murphy Ernest William Jeffery Alice Maud Jeffery
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Gritty
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24 Dec 2014 13:04 |
Rosa signs as Rosalin when she's a witness at Emma's marriage- she also marries as Rosalin:
Name: Rosalin Murphy Estimated Birth Year: abt 1892 Age: 23 Spouse: Jack Somerset Appleton Spouse Age: 24 Record Type: Marriage Event Date: 26 Dec 1915 Parish: St Michael and All Angels, Southfields Borough: Wandsworth Father Name: Joseph William Murphy Spouse Father: Saul Somerset Appleton Register Type: Parish Register --------------------------------------------------------
Jack dies in 1926:
Name: Jack S Appleton Birth Date: abt 1891 Date of Registration: Dec 1926 Age at Death: 35 Registration district: Lambeth Inferred County: London Volume: 1d Page: 203 ------------------------------------------------------
And Rosalin remarries in 1930:
First name(s) ROSALIN Last name APPLETON Marriage quarter 2 Marriage year 1930 ROSALIN APPLETON married EDWARD CONNORTON Spouse's last name CONNORTON District FULHAM County London Volume 1A Page 831 Record set England & Wales marriages 1837-2008 -------------------------------------------------------------------
Rosalin/ Rosa dies in 1949
Name: Rosalin Connorton Birth Date: abt 1892 Date of Registration: Dec 1949 Age at Death: 57 Registration district: Battersea Inferred County: London Volume: 5c Page: 48
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Gritty
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24 Dec 2014 12:13 |
Found William Frederick Murphy (address is where mother is living in 1911 :-D
UK, Incoming Passenger Lists, 1918
Name: Wm Frederick Murphy Birth Date: abt 1881 Age: 37 Occupation: Soldier Address going to: Lainson Street, Wandsworth Country of last permanent residence: Nigeria Port of Departure: Africa Arrival Date: 22 Jun 1918 Port of Arrival: Liverpool, England Ship Name: Mandingo Shipping line: Elder Dempster Lines Ltd Official Number: 140664 -------------------------------------------------
William's early military record, give a previous address as 28 Hibbert Street (Where his Mum was living in 1901):
First name(s) WILLIAM Last name MURPHY Birth year 1882 Birth parish BATTERSEA Birth town LONDON Birth county SURREY Birth country ENGLAND Service number 5902 Document Type Attestation Attestation year 1899 Attestation Day 12 Attestation Month 1 Attestation age years 17 Attestation age months 11 Attestation Corps 7TH BN KING'S ROYAL RIFLES Attestation service number 5902 Series militia service records 1806-1915 Box 964 Box Record Number 304 Current Address: 14 Upper Marsh, Lambeth Previous Address: 28 Hibbert St, Battesea Record set British Army Service Records 1760-191 ------------------------------------------------------------------------
Emma's marriage (previously mentioned by Jacqueline)
Name: Emma Rhoda Murphy Estimated Birth Year: abt 1887 Age: 24 Spouse: Harry Hayes Spouse Age: 35 Record Type: Marriage Event Date: 10 Jun 1911 Parish: St Michael and All Angels, Southfields Borough: Wandsworth Father Name: Joseph William Murphy Spouse Father: John Henry Hayes Register Type: Parish Register Address for both was 10 Laison Street, Wandsworth. Looks like there were three witnesses: Henry Reed, Harry Holmes and Rosalin Murphy,
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Marilyn
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24 Dec 2014 09:25 |
Thankyou so much. Marilyn :-D
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Gritty
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24 Dec 2014 09:09 |
I have to go out- will try and look later (if no-one else has), when I'm less rushed
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Gritty
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24 Dec 2014 08:54 |
Joseph's parents 1891:
1891 John William Murphy [John Willian Murphy] Age: 62 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1829 Relation: Head Spouse's Name: Emma Murphy Gender: Male Where born: Const Place, Hampshire, England Civil Parish: Battersea Ecclesiastical parish: St Stephen County/Island: London Country: England Registration district: Wandsworth Sub registration district: West Battersea ED, institution, or vessel: 12 Neighbors: View others on page Piece: 431 Folio: 12 Page Number: 18 Household Members: Name Age John William Murphy 62 Emma Murphy 53 Elizabeth Murphy 36 Minne Maria Murphy 26 ----------------------------------------------------- 1901- no sign of Minnie or Rosa
1901 Emma Murphy Head Widow Female 72 1829 - Hoxton, Middlesex, England Elizabeth Jane Murphy Daughter Single Female 45 1856 Military Machinest Westminster, Middlesex, England Minnie Maria Murphy Daughter Single Female 37 1864 Military Tailoress Westminster, Middlesex, Street Balfern Street Parish Battersea City -Country England County London Municipal ward Church Registration district Wandsworth Archive reference RG13 Piece number 450 Folio 172 Page 55 Record set 1901 England, Wales & Scotland Census -----------------------------------------------------------
Possible for Rosa in 1901 :(
Name: Rose Murphy Age: 8 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1893 Relation to Head: Pauper Inmate (Pauper) Gender: Female Birth Place: Wandsworth, Surrey, England Civil Parish: Penge Ecclesiastical parish: St Paul County/Island: Surrey Country: England Registration district: Croydon Sub-registration district: Croydon ED, institution, or vessel: North Surrey District School Neighbors: View others on page Piece: 652 Folio: 167 Page Number: 22 Household schedule number: 1
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Marilyn
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24 Dec 2014 08:45 |
Ummm, Joseph 's father was John William Murphy, Joseph died of TB - would the younger Daughters be with grandparents ? John & Emma Murphy. Seems like they had A pretty poverty stricken existence. Thankyou :-D :-D :-D
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Gritty
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24 Dec 2014 08:33 |
I wonder where Rosa and Minnie were in 1901? and why they weren't with the rest of the family?
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24 Dec 2014 08:20 |
Joseph is listed as John on the baptism of Florence- but address matches 1881 census:
Florence Mary Murphy Record Type: Baptism Baptism Date: 13 Aug 1880 Father's Name: John William Murphy (Stonemason) Mother's name: Mary Murphy Parish or Poor Law Union: Battersea St Philip (9 Palmerstone Terrace) Borough: Wandsworth Register Type: Parish Registers --------------------------------------------------------
Name: William Frederick Murphy Record Type: Baptism Baptism Date: 25 Feb 1881 Father's Name: Joseph William Murphy (stonemason) Mother's name: Mary Murphy Parish or Poor Law Union: Battersea St Philip Borough: Wandsworth Register Type: Parish Registers ------------------------------------------------------
Name: Louisa Anne Murphy Record Type: Baptism Baptism Date: 11 Mar 1885 Father's Name: Joseph William Murphy (stonemason) Mother's name: Mary Murphy Parish or Poor Law Union: Battersea Christ Church Borough: Wandsworth Register Type: Parish Registers
Marriage for Louisa: Name: Louisa Ann Murphy Estimated Birth Year: abt 1885 Age: 24 Spouse: William Samuel Garwood Spouse Age: 25 Record Type: Marriage Event Date: 5 Jun 1909 Parish: St Michael and All Angels, Southfields Borough: Wandsworth Father Name: Joseph William Murphy Stonemason (deceased) Spouse Father: Samuel Garwood Register Type: Parish Register Witnesses: William Frederick Murphy and Emma Murphy
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Marilyn
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24 Dec 2014 08:01 |
Goodness, this has to be them, I know from conversations with my late Father there was a Rose. and a Minnie - Who used to send presents at Christmas. Joseph would have been away (journeyman stonemason) Thankyou Gritty :-D
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Gritty
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24 Dec 2014 07:44 |
And Rosa's baptism:
Name: Rosa Helena Murphy Record Type: Baptism Born 7th April 1892 Baptism Date: 9 Jun 1892 Father's Name: Joseph William Murphy (stonemason) Mother's name: Mary Murphy Parish or Poor Law Union: Battersea St John (Hibbert St.) Borough: Wandsworth Register Type: Parish Registers ----------------------------------------------
Louisa Anne Murphy Born 15th Dec 1884 Record Type: Baptism Baptism Date: 11 Mar 1885 Father's Name: Joseph William Murphy (Stonemason) Mother's name: Mary Murphy Parish or Poor Law Union: Battersea Christ Church Borough: Wandsworth Register Type: Parish Registers
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