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In my never ending quest to find the correct Lilian Kelly I have now moved on to another possible bridegroom for her, having eliminated George Freeman and Alfred Grout (all from FreeBMD). There was a child Lilian M Wall (mother's maiden name Kelly) born in Bethnal Green June 1917. Possible (from BMD) the couple had Charles E Wall in June 1915 and maybe Rose E Wall in June 1919. Pure supposition on my part - but no stone unturned etc
As I have no memberships to Ancestry or FMP at the moment, I am wondering if anybody could spare the time to follow any of these 3 possible offspring of my Lilian nee Kelly. GR tree searches are not proving fruitful. So many of the members are no longer looking at the site. I quite understand if you are getting fed up with me. I am like a Jack Russell terrier am I not? :-( This connects with my previous thread on here.

Was Lilan's father Michael Kelly??


London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921
about Lilian Marian Kelly (Spinster)
Estimated Birth Year:abt 1888
Age:23
Spouse:Henry Wall (Bachelor) Brace Cutter
Spouse Age:26
Record Type:Marriage
Event Date:25 Dec 1911
Parish:St Anne, Shoreditch
Borough:Hackney
Father Name:Michael Kelly (Fish ????) Deceased
Spouse Father:Thomas Wall (Watchman)
Register Type:Parish Register
Witnesses: Charles Euston and Isabella Annie Lovegrove

Residence for both.........Great? James Street.

Yes - thanks. I am pretty sure this is my lady. All I have to do now is find same descendants from whom I can hopefully verify with their knowledge. Onward and upward !!!

A big thanks

British Army WWI Service Records, 1914-1920
about Lilian Marine Kelley Name:Lilian Marine Kelley
Gender:Female
Marriage Date:25 Dec 1911
Marriage Place:Hoxton
Residence Place:6 Ramsey Street, Bethnal Green
Document Year:1915
Relationship to Soldier:Spouse
Form Title:Descriptive Report Enlistment
Other Records:


Family Members:

Name

Relation to Soldier

Henry Wall Self (Head)
Lilian Marine Kelley Spouse....6 Ramsey Street, Bethnal Green..
(Married 25/12/1911)
Ida Mary Wall Child.....02/01/09 Mile End
Henry James Wall Child.....27/07/11
Chares Edward Wall Child.....12/04/15

As the couple didn't marry until 1911

??


England & Wales, FreeBMD Birth Index, 1837-1915
about Ida Mary Kelly Name:Ida Mary Kelly
Registration Year:1909
Registration Quarter:Jan-Feb-Mar
Registration district:Whitechapel
Inferred County:London
Volume:1c
Page:227



Births Sep 1911 (>99%)
Wall Henry J Kelley Bethnal G. 1c 369

1911 England Census
about Lilian Kelly Name:Lilian Kelly
Age in 1911:22
Estimated Birth Year:abt 1889
Relation to Head:Head
Gender:Female
Birth Place:St Luke
Civil Parish:Bethnal Green
County/Island:London
Country:England
Street address:48 Turin Street, Bethnal Green Rd, London
Marital Status:Single
Occupation:IRONING
Registration district:Bethnal Green
Registration District Number:17
Sub-registration district:Bethnal Green South West

Household Members:

Lilian Kelly 22
Elizabeth Kelly 18 (Sister) Tailoress
Ida May 2 (Daughter) Whitechapel

(1 child born and living)

That is amazing. I am very grateful to have something to go on with these 3 names. Wonder if Ida was officially adopted by Henry Wall or just started using that name. May be easier to try to follow through with the sons as they have two christian names and marriage wont change their names as it does with the ladies. BUrning midnight oils again!

???


England & Wales, Marriage Index, 1916-2005
about Ida M Wall Name:Ida M Wall
Spouse Name:James A Sperinck
Date of Registration:Jan-Feb-Mar 1931
Registration district:Islington
Inferred County:Middlesex
Volume Number:1b
Page Number:415



England & Wales, Death Index, 1916-2007
about Ida Mary Sperinck Name:Ida Mary Sperinck
Birth Date:2 Jan 1909
Date of Registration:Jan 1993
Age at Death:84
Registration district:Eastbourne
Inferred County:Sussex
Register Number:B51E
District and Subdistrict:4541B
Entry Number:274



England & Wales, Death Index, 1916-2007
about James Alfred Sperinck Name:James Alfred Sperinck
Birth Date:22 Jul 1906
Date of Registration:Feb 1986
Age at Death:79
Registration district:Eastbourne
Inferred County:Sussex
Volume:18
Page:572

Aww - the poor couple are no longer with us. There is a Robert Underwood on here who I have messaged about Lilian Kelly and these children that you mention. So far no answer. Maybe he is not a member anymore so I will send him my private email address. Thanks again for your interest. Nice unusual name Ida got - so possibly in with a chance.
THanks

I am just about to sign off for the night but I will check back on here tomorrow.

I will leave you with this........


England & Wales, Death Index, 1916-2007
about Charles Edward Wall Name:Charles Edward Wall
Birth Date:12 Apr 1915
Date of Registration:Jun 2000
Age at Death:85
Registration district:Greenwich
Inferred County:London
Register Number:B76
District and Subdistrict:2291B
Entry Number:189

Prickles. x

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England & Wales, Marriage Index, 1916-2005
about Charles E Wall Name:Charles E Wall
Spouse Name: Isabelle A Monro
Date of Registration:Jan-Feb-Mar 1943
Registration district:Kensington
Inferred County:Middlesex
Volume Number:1a
Page Number:293



London, England, Electoral Registers, 1832-1965
about Isabelle A Wall and Charles E Wall
Year: 1946
County or Borough:Kensington and Chelsea
Ward or Division/Constituency:Kensington
Both residing at........
Street address:1 Redcliffe Gardens

http://www.freebmd.org.uk/cgi/search.pl has 2 Sperink/Wall births - 1931 and 1934 both in Pancras reg

Births Jun 1931 (>99%)
Sperinck James A Wall Pancras 1b 193

Possibly

Name: James Arnold Sperinck
Birth Date: 23 Jun 1931
Date of Registration: Jul 2006
Age at Death: 75
Registration district: Northampton
Inferred County: Northamptonshire
Volume: -1
Page: -1
Register Number: C72B
District and Subdistrict: 670/1C
Entry Number: 164
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Surname First name Date of probate Probate number Date of death Document type Registry
SPERINCK JAMES ARNOLD 20 August 2007 2543638 26 July 2006 Grant and will Birmingham

He married Violet M E in 1955 in Romford. They are on the ER in Hemel Hempstead in 2002 - the marriage is on freebmd as are the birth reg of 2 children

Violet is on the ER 2003-2011 living in Northampton with one of the children.

'A' V Sperink is listed on
http://www.thephonebook.bt.com/publisha.content/en/index.publisha#

Possibly the death of Henry James Wall b 27 Jul 1911?

Name: Henry James Wall
Birth Date: 26 Jul 1911
Date of Registration: Apr 1991
Age at Death: 79
Registration district: Waltham Forest
Inferred County: London
Volume: 15
Page: 603

There are too many men with the same name to confidently identify a marriage (assuming he did). The informant on the DC might have been a relative

there is a tree on Ancestry with Charles Edward Wall - unfortunately the site isn't giving access at this time

Death reg posted last night by Pricklyholly

Cremated On:19 June 2000
Recorded at: Eltham Crematorium (Greenwich)
Date of death 01 June 2000

Above on https://www.deceasedonline.com/servlet/GSDOSearch
Don't bother purchasing credits to view the register - personal details of living people are redacted

Thanks Prickly and DeTective. A lot to digest. I have had a reply from a Robert Underwood from my tree search on Charles Edward Wall - so it could all be happening soon.

For some background

http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards/board/ancestors/thread/1345891

http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards/board/ancestors/thread/1345513