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Michael
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27 Oct 2014 15:15 |
Robert was my grandfathers cousin whose existence I have only recently discovered. I understand he died in 1983 in Newcastle upon Tyne and may have been married to Margaretta Cartwright who died in 2002, did they have any family? Furthermore Robert had three brothers all from Tyneside, Albert Victor White who died 1930 Joseph W White who died 1930 and James Hope White who died 1950,I believe all three brothers were also married. Any further info on the family would be much appreciated.
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Jacqueline
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27 Oct 2014 15:45 |
What do you actually hope for?
Have you done any research using freebmd?
http://www.freebmd.org.uk/
That's where you should be looking for marriage info.........and also for offsrping
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Jacqueline
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27 Oct 2014 15:46 |
Birth year info helps
WHITE ROBERT LIGHTFOOT 1896 — 1896 Births & baptisms Newcastle upon Tyne, Northumberland, England
1911 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription 241 Beaconsfield Street Newcastle on Tyne, Elswick, Northumberland, England
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Print transcription View image Household Members First name(s) Last name Relationship to household head Marital condition Gender Age Birth year Birth place Occupation Robert White Head Married Male 47 1864 Langley on Tyne Northumberland Coal Hawker Transcription Mary Jane White Wife Married Female 48 1863 Hexham Northumberland - Transcription Joseph William White Son Single Male 23 1888 Hexham Northumberland Coal Hawker Transcription James Hope White Son Single Male 21 1890 Hexham Northumberland Coal Hawker Transcription Albert Victor White Son Single Male 19 1892 Newcastle on Tyne Northumberland Clerk Newcastle And Gateshead Gas Co Transcription Robert Lightfoot White Son - Male 14 1897 Newcastle on Tyne Northumberland School
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27 Oct 2014 15:52 |
A copy of the cert will confirm whether or not the groom was the man you are asking about, and whether Cartwright was the bride's maiden name
Marriages Dec 1932 (>99%)
Cartwright Margaretta White Newcastle T. 10b 77 White Robert L Cartwright Newcastle T. 10b 77
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Jacqueline
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27 Oct 2014 15:54 |
A son or daughter MAY have been the informant
First name(s) MARGARETTA Last name WHITE Gender Female Birth day 8 Birth month 4 Birth year 1903 Age - Death quarter 2 Death year 2002 District NORTH TYNESIDE District number 0541B Register number B30C Entry number 292 Date of registration mm/yy 0402
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Jacqueline
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27 Oct 2014 15:58 |
1911 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription 46 Strachan St Newcastle on Tyne, Westgate, Northumberland, England
First name(s) Last name Relationship to household head Marital condition Gender Age Birth year Birth place Occupation James Ralph Cartwright Head Married Male 31 1880 Newcastle on Tyne Carter Builders Transcription Mary Ellen Cartwright Wife Married Female 30 1881 Newcastle on Tyne - Transcription Margaritta Cartwright Daughter - Female 7 1904 Newcastle on Tyne School Transcription Mary Isabella Cartwright Daughter - Female 5 1906 Newcastle on Tyne School Transcription Mary Ellen Cartwright Daughter - Female 2 1909 Newcastle on Tyne - Transcription Alexander Adamson Father In Law Widow Male 62 1849 Newcastle on Tyne Labourer General Transcription Percival Adamson Brother In Law Single Male 22 1889 Newcastle on Tyne Carter Fruiterer Transcription Francis Alexander Adamson Brother In Law Single Male 18 1893 Newcastle on Tyne Labourer General Fruiterer Transcription
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27 Oct 2014 16:05 |
No second name recorded, so no way of knowing if this was the man you are looking at, although the DOB matches the birth registration
First name(s) ROBERT Last name WHITE Gender Male Birth day 14 Birth month 11 Birth year 1896 Age - Death quarter 2 Death year 1983 District NEWCASTLE UPON TYNE County Northumberland Volume 2 Page 0765
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27 Oct 2014 16:15 |
If the White/Cartwright marriage turns out to be correct, a copy of her Will may give further clues
Surname First name Date of probate Probate number Date of death Document type Registry WHITE MARGARETTA 23 July 2002 973486 10 April 2002 Grant and will Newcastle Upon Tyne
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27 Oct 2014 16:23 |
A tree on Ancestry has uploaded a certificate relating to James Hope White. Although it is inaccessible at the moment, the details given for him are
James Hope White Loseby/Smith/Goode/Start family tree
Birth: Sep 1889 - Northumberland Marriage: 18 Nov 1916 - Carlisle Death: 07 Dec 1950 (7 Dec 1950) - Newcastle Upon Tyne Parents: Robert White, Mary Jane Hope Spouse: Edith Mary Williamson
Birth Name: James Hope White Registration Year: 1889 Registration Quarter: Jul-Aug-Sep Registration district: Hexham Inferred County: Northumberland Volume: 10b Page: 334
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England & Wales, Marriage Index, 1916-2005 about James H White Name: James H White Spouse Surname: Williamson (Edith M) Date of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec 1916 Registration district: Carlisle Inferred County: Cumberland Volume Number: 10b Page Number: 963
Death Name: James H White Birth Date: abt 1888 Date of Registration: Dec 1950 Age at Death: 62 Registration district: Newcastle upon Tyne Inferred County: Northumberland Volume: 1b Page: 195
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27 Oct 2014 16:37 |
Searching Freebmd for White/Williamson births Parameters 1915-1925, Northumberland, there are 4 results. Without actually ordering the certificates, it would be reckless to assume that they are James and Edith's children However, you could use the details to see if anyone has them listed and send a message
Births Dec 1916 (>99%) White Emily Williamson Tynemouth 10b 411
Births Dec 1920 (>99%) White Edith W R Williamson Tynemouth 10b 453
Births Mar 1921 (>99%) WHITE Freda Williamson Newcastle T. 10b 141
Births Dec 1923 (>99%) White John Williamson Tynemouth 10b 368
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27 Oct 2014 16:42 |
Albert Victor White
Birth Name: Albert Victor White Registration Year: 1892 Registration Quarter: Jan-Feb-Mar Registration district: Newcastle upon Tyne Inferred County: Northumberland Volume: 10b Page: 45
Baptism??? Name: Albert Victor White Gender: Male Baptism Date: 2 Mar 1892 Baptism Place: Elswick, Northumberland, England Father: Robert White Mother: Mary Jane FHL Film Number: 2193276 Reference ID: item 11 p 152
Death Name: Albert V White Birth Date: abt 1892 Date of Registration: Mar 1930 Age at Death: 38 Registration district: Newcastle upon Tyne Inferred County: Northumberland Volume: 10b Page: 72
Freebmd does not appear to list a marriage for him in England or Wales
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27 Oct 2014 16:58 |
Its possible that Joseph W White married in 1913, BUT as there are other men of the same name, only the certificate could confirm if he is 'yours'
Name: Joseph W White Spouse Surname: Foster (Agnes M) Registration Year: 1913 Registration Quarter: Jan-Feb-Mar Registration district: Tynemouth Inferred County: Northumberland Volume: 10b Page: 366
Look for possible children in Northumberland on Freebmd. This one looks a strong contender - there are others
Births Jun 1916 (>99%) White Joseph W Foster Tynemouth 10b 449
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Paul
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28 Dec 2014 19:21 |
Freda White B.1921 is not related to Edith W R White as Freda was my mother in law and her dob is too close to that of Edith.
Would love to know more of Emily and John though as these names were never mentioned but Freda and her Mum did leave Newcastle for London at some stage in the 1930s and we have no idea why. Can anyone enlighten us?
Paul
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