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Having researched my grandmother's birth parents I would love to find the descendemts of the cousins she never knew ;

The ones I.ve found so far are ; Jacob david FELLMAN b 1912 Riga Russian latvia
IRVINE all born Tranmere or Birkenhead Cheshire
Alexander ,journalist ,b1910 Birkenhead d1953 ,Daniel (Correction :John ) 1913-1950, ( twin Eric ) and Caroline b1915
BLOCH born between 1898 and 1910 in Dundee ; Elias .Geis-Ada,Dino,Sarah,Esther,Minnie,Barnet, Rosie (on documents so far Block spelling but some transcriptions freeBMD have BLACK as alternative spelling)

Anyone know what became of any of these people's children ??

Look for marriages - freebmd if England or Wales, Scotlandspeople for Scotland.

Then look for births for *their* children and so on.

Search all members trees to see if anyone else has them listed, and send a message.

Good luck with the Blochs - my grandmother is transcribed as Block and finally changed to Blake! As they are firmly based in the London East End, there is no connection, more's the pity.

Thanks Detective I'm too stoney broke to subscribe to Scottish people but hope to in future for my MacDermid relatives too .
I tried looking at FreeBMd before I had the Fellman siblings names ;there are not that many in GB especially born Russia ...+ have contacted lots of family tree members even Feldman spellings
.In Jakobstadt ; Fellmans are our family apparently going back 7 generations to early 1800's
Jacob David Fellman was born in Russia/Latvia in 1912 ...so maybe other Fellman cousins stayed there too
great grandfather G-J Fellmanhad.9 living siblings in1920 ..he was alone with his father in manchester in 1891 census ; His sister Rebecca came over + married Ben Bloch in 1894 ..the Bloch cousins listed are thier children
the Irvines should be in Birkenhead area but I can't find their marriages or children on FreeBMD may go to library to look on Ancestry .as.I'm on a roll

Be creative with the surnames - Germany sounding ones could easily have been Anglised especially during the WW's.

Births Sep 1916 (>99%)
Irvine Caroline Roberts Birkenhead 8a 902

Deaths Sep 1916 (>99%)
Irvine Caroline 0 Birkenhead 8a 527

Is this not the death of Alexander seeing as he was 1 in 1911
Name: Alexander Irvine
Birth Date: 13 Jul 1909
Date of Registration: Sep 1976
Age at Death: 67
Registration district: Birkenhead
Inferred County: Merseyside
Volume: 37
Page: 0727

Not sure where you got Daniel from

have you looked in 'search all trees'?

Connected

http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards/board/ancestors/thread/1345669

The Irvine stuff is also on this thread, where birth and death of Alexander has already been posted.....to find out if he had decendants purchase his death cert maybe a wife or child registered it

There were also twins John and Eric born 1913 Johns Probate has been posted on other thread Eric possably died either 1965 Wirral or 1989 Birkenhead although middle name of Donald added to that one

http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards/board/ancestors/thread/1300276

thanks all
Alexander died and another Alexander was born I think in 1911 Mary+Isaac irvine had 1 child living he was a journalist when he registered his mother Mary's death
A friend on ancestry told my mother there were twins in 1913 but didn't remember which had died .
an she was very pleased to know that the daughter was named after her maternal grandmother Caroline
( Jaqueline- "Russian Names" ..is meant to be a general chat on genealogy but I couldn't resist putting the some of my families names on there) .
EDIT ;a link to search on Great grandfather's ancestoryy is also on Geneology chat page entitled "naturalisation"

thank for advice detective ; have found so far it's best to stick to Bloch + Fellman surname spellings as there are far too many Black's + Feldman + documents I have so far show that my lot stuck with original spellings but WW1 generation may have chamged it's 1st names which are proving to have spelling variations so I try just 1st letter but that's not infallible .

If Alexander died....why is there no death for him?

The Alexander born 1911 has no mothers maiden name (before they were added) so it is very likely he is not the son of Isaac and Mary

This birth matches the death in 1976

Births Sep 1909 (>99%)
IRVINE Alexander Birkenhead 8a 513

Which also matches the 1911 census entry

Looks like the death of one born 1911..... So born two weeks after census was taken.... So you are saying the first Alexander died within these two weeks and another born and given the same name


Name: Alexander Scott Irvine
Birth Date: 15 Apr 1911
Date of Registration: Apr 1988
Age at Death: 77
Registration district: Wrexham Maelor
Inferred County: Clwyd
Volume: 24
Page: 1005

Jax I'd understood it as that yes/
I don't always understand the freeBMD info
I'll have to go back to my mum's notes from friend on ancestry
But 1 born 1 living probably just means isaac + Mary only had the 1and he's still alive for census
I'd maybe assumed the freebmd death was him was the same until he was listed as informant onhis mother's death

Alexander born 1911 is not anything to do with this family ...his parents were William and Lilian according to various tree on Ancestry

The Alexander born 1909 did not die until 1976

Of course he was still alive for the census that is why he is on there......they did not say one had died, only that they had one child who was still living

I dont know what death you found on freebmd...because I cannot see one

from my notes I have the Irvine family at same address for many years in Tranmere
Isaac died in 1940 Mary was probate
alexander died aged 67 in 1976 so not the same as the wrexham one
sorry don't know where got that info from
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I remember getting my head around 1 child born 1 living ..it didn't seem at all obvious to me when I already had what i thought was his death .

I see you have been altering the opening post

John and Eric were twins....neither died as babies

Caroline died shortly after birth

Thanks jax i really must learn to get my facts right before posting (I left the name Daniel there so comment would make sense but think it's important that initial post doesn't send folks on wild geese chase .) Could have sworn the death of baby was 1 of the twins but had remembered that Caroline died early ...(mum has Irvine data i'm relying on rough notes + alisouns ggma thread)

re the Blochs a member has all the cousins name s on her tree but didn't answer my message last yr so I guess she's left .

Brigid


do please remember that family stories can be just that .................. stories

misheard or misunderstood bits of information passed on.


We've all been there, and got mis-led, and gone on wild goose chases.


It's never wise to rely solely on family stories, trying to find documentation to prove them .................. far too often, you have to think outside the box!



True story to prove what I am trying to say .................

one of my family stories was that an ancestors had died falling out of a train at Guide Bridge, in a successful attempt to save a little girl from falling.

That makes him sound like a hero, right??? Anyone would like a hero in their ancestral line


The true story took me years to uncover ..........

........ he died at a station in a town on the Guide Bridge Railway Line, when he leaned out the window of a door that had been incorrectly fastened by a railway worker. He fell out when the door flew open and cracked his head open on the adjacent railway line. It took him 4 hours to die

No little girl. No hero.

I don't think he was drunk or anything ............. just eager to see how close they were to the station


I can give you loads of examples like that, of family stories that are just a bit out of whack.



As for Germanic names ................... you are indeed lucky that none of yours seemed to have changed their names during WW1.

But you should not be ignoring possible mis-spellings of the names in documents.

Yes, ti does take more time ......................... but it is very very common.


and even very simple names can be mis-spelled ............

.......... Ladd is a very simple name, but can be found as Sadd or Cadd, or Ledd, Ludd, Lodd ............... or any of those can be any variation of the others :-)

Thanks for the cautionary tale Sylvia . ( nb why are there so many huge gapss between your post ? It takes up a lot of the page)
Do I give the assumption that I'm jumping to conclusions ? I was a bit hazy on the Irvine stuff because my mum had the relevent census etc
but I wanted to include them in this post with my nana's Fellman +Bloch cousins .
None of this info is family stories as we didn't know these families existed until this search began .
Any conclusions jumped to have been from mis-understanding information found ,or given and i suppose from not being able to check every reference given as i don't have gold subscription . I'm not ignoring different spellings just limiting my research to exact spelling first ...some of the siblings + descendents may well have changed their spelling during WW1 it may depend which country they were living in ; G-J remained Fellman and proud to be jewish til his death in 1924 and I do know that from comments on his hospital records . benjamin + Rebecca were Bloch to their death in 1944+ 1960 when she died so it's a fair assumption that her dundee born children also kept that spelling

Brigid, Can I just comment , not on the topic, but on the "gaps" you mention on Sylvia's post?

As someone with eye problems I really appreciate those gaps in comparison with a long closely typed piece of text :-) Sometimes i would really like to help a poster with their query but I am 'put off' by having to wade through a long piece of unbroken text .

I agree re not ignoring the possible mistranscription or alteration of names when searching, even my recentish English family name changed, if I had not looked for the alternative spelled with an I instead of E I would still none the wiser on my gt aunts :-)

Good luck with your searching.

PS I noticed you are looking at Birkenhead because I have just been researching her tree for a friend living there. i am sure you have thought of it, but just in case, the Synagogue there might be able to help? ( google 'Birkenhead Synagogue for links)

rambling rose ;i appreciate prob

,alisoun sis works with visual impairments for me the prob is my computer

wobbles + i cant stay on long at moment computer seems to decide when i meed to go bed or stop watching

It is right the blue screen at night provoques insomnia but once you (2 am's of very early starts ,

gaps are good for that but why 6 lines wondered if it was a sign of recopying + recopying for otthe r pages

Have you tried putting diff colour filter paper in front of screen diff colours help diff inndivid's


Have to scroll back now to see