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Yes it has been interesting, but I doubt if the marriage cert will reveal much - I really doubt he knew his parentage. Only appears on 1881 census as a boy in the navy, then again in 1901. Not really much to go on. Maybe the naval record would reveal more - although I doubt it.

Hi Flip

I did some googling but didn't come up with anything. :-(

It would be interesting to know who lived at 64 Isoline Street....1935---1939

Perhaps if/when Brigette hears back from members who have members of this family in their tree, they might be able to give her information regarding Sarah Johnston Coulter.

It is also frustrating with William Frederick Tynan senior.

I think the only way to go would be to purchase a copy of the marriage cert, in the hope that it gives some clues.

It has been a very enjoyable search though!

Prickles.

:-)

I think the problem we have, we don't know Sarah's parents or her fathers occupation. My ancestors, from around the same time or slightly earlier, moved between ship-yards for work - with children born England, Ireland and Scotland. Southampton is a port as is Belfast - so Sarah could have been in Scotland in 1911, which is only available on Scotland's People.

Prickles, do you know whether Ancestry or FMP (or another site) has the bmd for Northern Ireland in 1939? I can't find any births registered there on either site.

I really don't know about this.........but i am posting it as a possibility.

???

England & Wales, Marriage Index, 1916-2005
about Annie Tynan Name:Annie Tynan
Spouse Surname: John Mitchell
Date of Registration:Jul-Aug-Sep 1936
Registration district:Gosport
Inferred County:Hampshire
Volume Number:2b
Page Number:1868



England & Wales, Death Index, 1916-2007
about Ann Mitchell Name:Ann Mitchell
Birth Date:abt 1876
Date of Registration:Mar 1951
Age at Death:75
Registration district:Southampton
Inferred County:Hampshire
Volume:6b
Page:946

Hi Brigette, sorry my post was rather confusing I was referring to your grandmother not your mother.

It's your grandmother (Sarah Coulter) we can't find on the 1911 census to check who her parents were - so without her birth certificate it would be virtually impossible to go back any further with her. It's not unusual not to be able to find someone on a census - especially when they could be anywhere.

We can't find a birth registration for Eileen - but I think this is because they are not online for Belfast for that time period. I believe the irish records office conduct searches, but they charge for this.

Maybe someone with a bit more knowledge of Ireland records can point you in the right direction for getting certificates.

Good news on your other search, good luck to you both.

Is this odd that you cant find any birth record in any census, or is that normal sometimes?

Where would I get a copy of My mothers birth certificate?

Omg, you have both been busy! :-S thats a lot of info! God you are good! :-D

Right, I am off to digest all that...what a fantastic amount of interesting info! Thankyou so very much!

Oh, as an aside, Ive just updated my other thread on the Hankins search..Ive found and made contact with him and he is indeed my Father :-D and we are now in contact with eachother. So, again, THANKYOU,

There is an Isoline Street in Belfast, Ireland.

I wonder if this has any connection.....

Record details


Name of deceased Miss Child Of William & Sarah Tynan
Last place of residence 64 Isoline Street
Age Still Born (Female)
Sex
Date of death 3 June 1935
Date of burial 3 June 1935
Cemetery City Cemetery - Public Ground
Grave section and number
Burial Type Earth Burial

I think we have both been on the same wave length Flip.

I checked the Irish 1911 too,........no luck though!

Prickles. :-) x

We seem to have lost Brigget for the moment.

But I think the only way to find her Irish ancestry is by getting a copy of her mother's Irish birth certificate. We can't find her mother on the 1911 census, so don't have her parents to work on. Don't know about you Prickles, but I've checked 1911 census for both England and Ireland with no luck.

I am leaning towards that death though!


Possible marriage of Joseph Pearce and Eliza.....


England, Select Marriages, 1538–1973
about Eliza Lambell Name:Eliza Lambell
Gender:Female
Age:23
Birth Date:1844
Marriage Date:17 Aug 1867
Marriage Place:Fareham,Hampshire,England
Spouse: Joseph Pearce
FHL Film Number:0918892, 0918894



England, Select Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
about Eliza Lamball Name:Eliza Lamball
Gender:Female
Baptism Date:5 Apr 1844
Baptism Place:Kingsley, Hampshire, England
Father: Daniel Lamball
Mother: Anne
FHL Film Number:1041211
Reference ID:
item 5 p 59



1851 England Census
about Eliza Lamber Name:Eliza Lamber.....[Eliza Lambell]
Age:7
Estimated Birth Year:abt 1844
Relation:Daughter
Father's Name:Daniel Lamber
Mother's name:Ann Lamber
Gender:Female
Where born:Kings, Hampshire, England
Civil Parish:Kingsley
County/Island:Hampshire
Country:England
Registration district:Farnborough
Sub-registration district:Farnborough


Household Members:

Daniel Lamber 39 (Journeyman/Bricklayer) Froyle Hampshire
Ann Lamber 38 Binsted Hampshire
William Lamber 13
Mary Ann Lamber 11
George Lamber 9
Eliza Lamber 7
Catherine Lamber 5
John Lamber 2



1841 England Census
about Daniel Lambell Name:Daniel Lambell
Age:25
Estimated Birth Year:abt 1816
Gender:Male
Where born:Hampshire, England
Civil Parish:Kingsley
Hundred:Alton (Lower Half)
County/Island:Hampshire
Country:England
Registration district:Farnham
Sub-registration district:Headley

Household Members:
Daniel Lambell 25 (J Bricklayer)
Ann Lambell 25
William Lambell 3
Mary Lambell 1 6 Mo
Thomas Lambell 75 (Ag Lab)

No, I'm not sure about it either, but his RN record seems to finish in May 1908!

If its the right death, this is his appointment:

William F Tynan
Date Appointed:Jun 1908
Place Appointed:Clacton On Sea

I saw that Flip but was a bit dubious about the Occupation.

Retired Postman........H'mmm.

I'm not 100% on this one, but the death fits, age 53 and registered Tendring, Essex.

William Frederick Tynan
Probate Date:15 Sep 1917
Death Date:30 Aug 1917
Death Place:Essex, England
Registry:Ipswich

Of 1 Bradford terrace, St Osyth road, Clackton on Sea. Retired postman. Probate to his widow Annie, £121 2s

Mother Eliza in 1911......

1911 England Census
about Eliza Pearce Name:Eliza Pearce
Age in 1911:67
Estimated Birth Year:abt 1844
Relation to Head:Head
Gender:Female
Birth Place:Kingsley, Hampshire, England
Civil Parish:Holybourne Neatham
County/Island:Hampshire
Country:England
Street address:Anstey, Alton, Hampshire
Marital Status:Married >>>44 Years
Occupation: None Supported By Family
Registration district:Alton
Registration District Number:108
Sub-registration district:Binsted


Household Members:

Eliza Pearce 67 >>>>>10 children born, 8 living, 2 had died)
Ethel Emily Daniel 21 (Daughter) Married>>>>>Children None
Reginald Albert Hawkins 5 (Grandson)
Bertha Carr Pearce 4 (Grandaughter)


I love the Occupation..........None Supported By Family!! :-D


Daughter Frances Margaret married George Hawkins......

Marriages Sep 1904 (>99%)

Hawkins George Alton 2c 397
Pearce Frances Margaret Alton 2c 397

Daughter Ethel Emily.....


Marriages Jun 1909 (>99%)

DANIEL Reginald Thomas Alton 2c 387
PEARCE Ethel Alton 2c 387

1891 England Census
about Joseph Pearce Name:Joseph Pearce
Age:48
Estimated Birth Year:abt 1843
Relation:Head
Spouse's Name:Eliza Pearce
Gender:Male
Where born:Longparish, Hampshire, England
Civil Parish:Holybourne
Ecclesiastical parish:Holybourne Town:Holybourne
County/Island:Hampshire
Country:England


Registration district:Alton
Sub-registration district:Binsted

Household Members:

Joseph Pearce 48 (Groom)
Eliza Pearce 46
Frances M Pearce 9
Rosa Pearce 6
Lydia Pearce 3
Ethel Pearce 1

1911 England Census
about Joseph Pearce Name:Joseph Pearce
Age in 1911:69
Estimated Birth Year:abt 1842
Relation to Head:Father
Gender:Male
Birth Place:Longparish, Hampshire, England
Civil Parish:York
County/Island:Yorkshire-East Riding
Country:England
Street address:74 Alma Terrace Fulford Road York
Marital Status:Married
Occupation:(Private Means)
Registration district:York
Registration District Number:517
Sub-registration district:York East

Household Members:

William Fredrick Pearce 41
Alcie Pearce 32
Leonard William Pearce 2
Joseph Pearce 69


1901 England Census
about Joseph Pearce Name:Joseph Pearce
Age:58
Estimated Birth Year:abt 1843
Relation to Head:Head
Gender:Male
Spouse:Eliza Pearce
Birth Place:Longparish, Hampshire, England
Civil Parish:Holybourne
Ecclesiastical parish:Holy Rood Holybourne
County/Island:Hampshire
Country:England
Registration district:Alton
Sub-registration District:Binsted

Household Members:


Joseph Pearce 58 (Brewers Drayman)
Eliza Pearce 56
Rosa Pearce 16
Lydia Dora Pearce 13
Ethel Emily Pearce 11
Gertrude Tarrett 24 (Daughter) Married>>>>>>"Parrott"
Margarett Tarrett 1 Month (Grandchild)>>>>>>"Parrott"



Marriages Mar 1899 (>99%)
Parrott Frederick Godfrey Alton 2c 229
Pearce Gertrude Alton 2c 229

Was just about to post that one Prickles, you beat me to it ;-)

All the children are elsewhere by 1891, but parents and children born after 1881 are still in the area, father Joseph is a groom.