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Hi, My wife has an adopted grandchild, that was adopted at birth we believe in1987,
I have recenyly looked on Ancestry, and found the birth registered in her birth town,1987, but a seperate entry in a town 200miles away stating birth registered 1989, both entries appear with original birth names and mothers names, and would appear to be the same child, I cannot find any others with this name, or any other records at all, but is it an assumption that both are the same, and could itbe that she retained the same name after adoption,
any opinions welcome, and advice to take this further please.
the full name---2 christin names and a fairly rare surname. also makes me feel this is the same child.

A child after adoption wont be re registered on the birth records

Their adoption would go through the Courts and an adoption certificate would be made in the childs new name

These records are kept private so you wont find them online

Why not ask her daughter for info!!

I am very very new to this so I don't know very much and somebody may well come and correct what I am about to say.

The only re registrations I have come across personally have been where the mother has married and then re registered the child (required by law). In the case of my research, the child was re registered 5 years later and also had his name changed to that of the father/husband - although he wasn't named on the original birth certificate.

When you say you believe the child was adopted at birth in 1987, which bits are open to doubt? If you apply for the birth certificate it will state adopted at the bottom if you are in doubt about that.

If you are unsure about the adoption, it may be worth looking for a marriage for the mother and see if it around the same time as the re registration.

You cant re register a birth

You can amend details on an original registration by say adding a fathers name ,

The original birth record page nos will ref the qtr that the amendment was done

ie See S,1977 so that when someone applies for a copy of the birth cert they get the amended copy not the original registration

I know it is just an amendment and that the original record still exists, but the gov.uk website and the gro both call it a re registration which is why I used the term.

Sorry for any confusion caused.

hi, We havent been in anydoubt that the child was adopted, we have no evidence to suggest otherwise, it would be a shock if this was not the case,

thanks for all the help so far.

If there's a birth 2 years later in another registration district, then perhaps the mother had another child and used the same name? The registration district wouldn't change with re-registration/amendment.

Rose

Can you clarify please....

Is this child that was given for adoption - ie, a child of one of her children that was given to be raised by someone else

or

A child that is being raised by one of her children that wasn't born to them?

The name of the first will be in the birth registers, the second wont - well, not in the name you know them by.

Hi Penny, the child was the mothers own, she and the father, our son were only 17, so the other grandparents more or less took over, saying the child should be adopted. only thing we know is the child may have been adopted by A Doctor,
thanks again.

So as far as you know, she was adopted out of the birth family?

If you have no contact with her, your wife could add her name to the Adoption Contact Register and hope that she has too.

https://www.gov.uk/adoption-records/the-adoption-contact-register

There is the possibility that the child was fostered, then adopted by the mother's husband if he wasn't already named on the BC. Mind you, as was pointed out earlier, the reg district won't change

If you know the exact dob you could order copies of both certificates to see what's going on. If the dob doesn't match with the 2nd registration, it won't be issued so you'll know that it's a coincidence.
http://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/

OK so that is why her name is in the birth registers- her birth name will have been registered by her birth mother. Not sure about the second entry.

Ordering both certificates will be the only way to ascertain facts, as Detective says

OK so that is why her name is in the birth registers- her birth name will have been registered by her birth mother. Not sure about the second entry.

Ordering both certificates will be the only way to ascertain facts, as Detective says

You can also add her ( in her birth name) to your GR tree- if she looks she';; possibly look in her birth name.

No harm in Googling, again in birth name, might throw up some entries on adoption sites - might but might not.

Have you tried looking for the grandchild in electoral lists or social media sites in her birth name?

or looked for a marriage?

It may be that she was kept within the family.......

Gwyn

i was a bit confused of the connection here but now see how it is

In my family experience of a child being born out of wedlock I know that the mum kept him and then married later

She and her new hubby then adopted the child but his birth father had to give his consent by giving up his parental rights even though he had no contact with the child through and after the pregnancy.

So if your wife's son wasn't asked to to this then cant see that the mum later married and she and her new hubby adopted the child

Have decided to purchase adoption certificate, for the entry with area of childs birth,
this should tell me a lot,

thanks to all.

Looks as though i cannot order a adoption certificate without knowing the names efc of new parents.

Just to be clear - *you* can't order an adoption certificate. What you were hoping to order was the one listed in the index 2 years after your step grandaughters birth.

Does it ask for the names of both parents, or will the application form accept the name of just one parent?

Was the son mentioned on the birth certificate -
ie is the birth just under the mother's names - did they both acknowledge the child was his.

if not, then no father's permission will have been required for the baby's adoption.


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The father wasnt named on the birth cert of the child in my family as he didnt want to know when he was told the girl was pregnant

However he had to sign away any parental rights as part of the adoption process and the natural mum too had to adopt her own child in her new surname . They actually went to court on the same afternoon that they married in order to get it all finalized.

I know this is true as we were wedding guests at the time