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He could have asked for info about the man without resorting to fabrication.

He doesn't have to reveal his identity Burt.

To find out about his mums first hubby he needs to get their marriage cert

It will give the grooms age at marriage and his fathers name .

This can then be cross checked against the births and the death so as the right family can be picked up .

We can't supply that info only the cert will

Steady Reggie, he was after, and still is, A E B,s ancestry.

But he was trying to protect his own identity and I now know his reasons which I accept.

Cheers Burt

So WHAT is Waspie trying to find out?

He misled us - and possibly you - by claiming that the Bland man was his uncle, when he obviously wasn't................

HI Joonie,
The birth was in Ceylon.

One tree owner is Dorian, their youngest child.

Cheers Burt.

Burt just one thing I thought might be worth mentioning

someone at this website has in their tree a Sylvia Horsfall born 1925 London

... but there was no such birth
(edit - I understand that 'your' Sylvia's birth birth was in Ceylon ... this is why I was suggesting that the birth shown in the member's tree was probably 'your' Sylvia, since there is no other Sylvia it could be)

it seems that Sylvia and Douglas had children after the Aldershot-born children and I think you'll find the tree owner is one of them

(two of those births appear at FreeBMD but not the one in question)

trying to contact that person by doing the tree search for Sylvia could put your friend in touch with the family if that is what he wants

at least one of the other younger children also has a tree at this site

Hello Folks,
Quite clearly Shirley has got the hang of it and Reggie feels it,s time to hang up and I agree with you.

The original request was for info on A E B and you have shown that he appears to have re-married then died in Liverpool as detailed.

I know Waspie does appreciate all the additional info provided, he has told me why he wishes to be an unkown and I do respect his wishes.

Thanks to you all and, Here endeth the lesson Amen.

Cheers Burt.

We cant supply all the info your friend wants

HE will have to buy his mums first marriage cert for its info so it can be cross checked with the BMDs for her first hubby

Not everything is cut and dried . We have all had to buy certs to verify the right family to keep our family research on track

Family Trees arent straight forward and easily tracked through the records . Yes some are BUT then some have twists and turns .

This is why certs are a necessary along the way

I wonder whether we should now hold fire on this......clearly, the original enquiry was based on fabrications (through no fault of Burt's), so we could be causing problems.

Kenneth,

Always a good idea to post on this thread if you are sending private PMs to Burt so efforts aren't duplicated.

Rose

Arthur may have remarried in 1949 Liverpool which may be the liverpool connection

his birth
Name: Arthur E Bland
Mother's Maiden Surname: Ball
Date of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep 1923
Registration district: Birkenhead
Inferred County: Cheshire
Volume Number: 8a
Page Number: 738

There are 5 births form 1950 for Hill mmn Horsfall , Aldershot reg district

look on FreeBMD .

Am lost now where this is going ?????

Waspie is going to have to shell out on some certificates I think if he wants further info

Sylvia didnt marry as Sylvia Jane to Arthur Bland

When Arthur died in 1979 Sylvia would be about 53 years of age so a bit old to be having another child after then

Unless of course they had separated and remarried

Name: Sylvia Bland
Spouse Surname: Hill
Date of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar 1950
Registration district: Watford


Name: Douglas Hill
Spouse Surname: Bland Or Horsfall
Date of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar 1950
Registration district: Watford


that looks more like it !!



Edited as you say Sylvia is still alive

Hello again Folks,
Good news, Waspie has been in and confirmed our good progress. He confirmed that Sylvia Jane is in fact his mother, he had seen an old photo of her with a soldier on her arm and he was told that he was Arthur Edwin Bland. Her first husband.

Waspie would still appreciate any info on A E B. It does appear that he might be the death in Lancs, Liverpool, ealy in 1979.. He knows nothing of his ancestry.

The shipping report of Sylvia going to Ceylon does in fact look like returning to Ceylon and to her two siblings Elizabeth and Basil who had been left in Ceylon whilst she and her parents visited England. Hence no English birth certificate. Celon history back to 1850.

Kenneth Humphrey has found Sylvia,s 2nd. husband as Douglas Hill b1928, followed by eight siblings.

Cheers Burt

In that case, some discretion is needed, to avoid invading her privacy.

One has to wonder what exactly 'Waspie' is looking for.

P.S. I forgot, Sylvia is not yet dead, she,s in an old folks home somewhere.

Thank you Shirley,
Excellent new info if a bit long-winded, of necessity.

Waspie gave me Arthur Bland, I had to dig the rest out of him. He gave G-uncle and who might know better his mothers second name. On the other hand I might be barking up the wrong tree.

Not yet admitted / confirmed full name.

Cheers Burt

Her marriage record doesn't record a second Christian name

Could this be her desth
Age -
Country England
County Bedfordshire
Record set England & Wales deaths 1837-2007
Birth Day 2
District LUTON
Event Quarter 1
Year 1990
First Name SARAH
Gender Female
Last Name BLAND
Birth Month 3
Year Of Birth 1925
District Number -
DOR -
Entry Number -
Line Number -
Page 399
Volume 9


Edit wrong lady missed that this was a sarah not Sylvia

coming back in again contact address Barclays bank Plymouth Devon

UK, Incoming Passenger Lists, 1878-1960 about Miss S Horsfall
Name: Miss S Horsfall
Port of Departure: Brisbane, Australia
Arrival Date: 29 Aug 1935
Port of Arrival: London, England
Ports of Voyage: Brisbane
[Sydney]
[Melbourne]
[Adelaide]
[Colombo]
Ship Name: Orsova
Search Ship Database: View the 'Orsova' in the 'Passenger Ships and Images' database
Shipping line: Orient Steam Navigation Company Ltd
Official Number: 127278

is with her parents .father is a planter !

This looks like Sylvia going out to Ceylon with her mum and dad

the address in the UK was The Lodge .Plympton

First Name S
Last Name HORSFALL
Title MISS
Age Transcribed 5
Year 1932
Departure Month 6
Departure Day 25
Ship name ORAMA
Ship Departure Port LONDON
Destination Port COLOMBO
State -
Country SRI LANKA (CEYLON)
Destination COLOMBO
Destination Place Country SRI LANKA (CEYLON)
Gender Female
Marital Status -
Occupation -
Year Of Birth 1927
Birth Month -
Birth Day -
Country Of Birth -
Last Residence Country -
UK Address -
Ship Official Number 146024
Ship Master's First Name C G
Ship Master's Surname MATHESON
Ship Master's Title -
Shipping line ORIENT
City LONDON
Ship Destination Port AUSTRALIA
Ship Destination Country AUSTRALIA
Ship Square Feet 14189
Ship Registered Tonnage 11942
Number Of Passengers 427
Record set Passenger Lists leaving UK 1890-1960
Category Travel & migration
Record collection Passenger lists
Collections from Australasia, Great Britain, Ireland, United States
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People with same last name on this voyage
First Name Last Name
E E HORSFALL dad aged 49 a tea planter
M O HORSFALL mum aged 41

They state the intend to live in Ceylon as future residence