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Allan, That list of names are on the same page of the marriage records as John Samuel (your G. Grandfather). As there is only one Mary Ann it would appear that Mary Ann Denvir is your Grandfather's mother's maiden surname. IF you ordered the marriage certificate from GROIRE it would give you her father's name and occupation. You may then be able to find him of the 1901 Irish census..

This is great stuff. I hadn't seen the 1871 England census but was aware that James Samuel had lived in Carnforth and worked at the iron Works, but this shows a much bigger family than he had in '61 - no surprise.

In the final record of your post I think it refers to the marriage of John Samuel with Mary Ann in Q4 1888, should I take it that her maiden name is Denvir-from your list. That would be another useful addition. She lived until 1960 and I never knew her, just a few metres away from my granny!!

Thanks for your help,
Allan Samuel

Name: James Samuel
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1890
Date of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar 1902
Death Age: 12
Registration District: Belfast
Death Country: Ireland
Volume: 1
Page: 319
FHL Film Number: 101601



Name: John Samuel
Date of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec 1888
Registration District: Belfast
Volume: 1
Page Number: 345
FHL Film Number: 101255
Records on Page:
Name
John Samuel
Samuel Alexander Lindsay Swann
Thomas Crone
Maria Eugenie Patha
Maria Eugene Murdock
Augusta Ethel Marlow Burke
Annie Pugsley
Hugh Woods Millar
Mary Ann Denvir <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<

1861

Name: Mary Samuel
[Mary Allan]
Age: 29
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1832
Relationship: Daughter
Father's Name: James Allan
Gender: Female
Where born: Kilbirnie, Ayrshire
Registration number: 596
Registration District: Kilbirnie
Civil Parish: Kilbirnie
County: Ayrshire
Address: Holmhead Farm
Occupation: House Keeper
ED: 3
Household Schedule Number: 105
Line: 5
Roll: CSSCT1861_86
Household Members:
Name Age
James Allan 68
John C Allan 24
Mary Samuel 29
James Samuel 8
John Samuel 2

You probably have this. It shows where your Grandfather name came from? John Samuel's mother's maiden surname was Allen.

1871

Name: John Samuel
Age: 12
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1859
Relation: Son
Father's Name: James Samuel
Mother's Name: M Samuel
Gender: Male
Where born: Ayrshire, Scotland
Civil Parish: Carnforth
Ecclesiastical parish: Warton
Town: Carnforth
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Registration District: Lancaster
Sub-registration District: Warton
ED, institution, or vessel: 2
Household Schedule Number: 185
Piece: 4233
Folio: 29
Page Number: 40
Household Members:
Name Age
James Samuel 35 Engine Fitter, b. Edinburgh
M Samuel 38 b. Ayrshire
J Samuel 18 Fitter, b. Ayrshire
John Samuel 12 b. Ayrshire
Mary Samuel 9 b. Ayrshire
Margt Samuel 5 b. Ayrshire
Annie Samuel 2 b. Lancashire
Robt Allan 30 Engine Fitter, b. Ayrshire

1851

Name: James Samuel
Age: 15
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1836
Relationship: Son
Father's Name: John Samuel
Mother's Name: Cathrine Samuel
Gender: Male
Where born: Kirkliston, Edinburgh
Parish Number: 596
Civil Parish: Kilbirnie
County: Ayrshire
Address: 112 Gluwunk
Occupation: Mankler
ED: 1
Page: 45 (click to see others on page)
Household Schedule Number: 123
Line: 13
Roll: CSSCT1851_132
Household Members:
Name Age
John Samuel 44
Cathrine Samuel 37
James Samuel 15
Agnes Samuel 13
Margret Samuel 11
John Samuel 10
Cathrine Samuel 7
Bamus Samuel 4
Mary Samuel 3 Mo
James Anderson 40 Lodger

Thanks again for all this info. It adds some new insights into parts of the family I never new. I'll digest and look int the gaps.
Allan

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Name: Mary Samuel
Spouse Surname: Holmes, Thomas B
Date of Registration: Apr-May-Jun 1928
Registration District: Sculcoates
Inferred County: Yorkshire East Riding
Volume Number: 9d
Page Number: 467

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Name: Harry Samuel
Spouse Surname: Isaacs, Florence
Date of Registration: Apr-May-Jun 1924
Registration District: Leeds
Inferred County: Yorkshire West Riding
Volume Number: 9b
Page Number: 1087


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Name: Robert Samuel
Birth Date: abt 1894
Date of Registration: Mar 1968
Age at Death: 74
Registration District: Hull
Inferred County: Yorkshire East Riding
Volume: 2a
Page: 300


Name: John Samuel
Birth Date: abt 1858
Date of Registration: Mar 1932
Age at Death: 74
Registration District: Sculcoates
Inferred County: Yorkshire East Riding
Volume: 9d
Page: 259


Name: John Samuel
Probate Date: 11 Mar 1932
Death Date: 27 Jan 1932
Death Place: Kinston upon Hull, Yorkshire-East Riding, England
Registry: Yorkshire, England

John Samuel of 56 Rosemead Street, kingston-upon-Hull died at 160 Beverly Road Kinston-upon-Hull. Administration to Allan Samuel, Boilerman. Effects £411. 11s.

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Name: Mary A Samuel
Birth Date: abt 1867
Date of Registration: Sep 1960
Age at Death: 93
Registration District: Holderness
Inferred County: Yorkshire East Riding
Volume: 2a
Page: 92

Mary Ann Samuel of 10 Coronation Avenue, Rustenburg Street, kingston-upon-Hull widow died at Castle Hill Hospital. Probate to Annie Watts, widow. Effects £993. 14s. 8d.



Marriages Sep 1936
Samuel Anne Watts Hull 9d 836
Watts Christopher Samuel Hull 9d 836

Thank you for these replies. Yes I have the 1911 census but had missed the one deceased child: that was James the eldest who was born 1890. I had not seen on the census that Robert was feeble minded, that section on my print out is missing.
I have not attempted to discover details on the other siblings yet.

Allan

Residents of a house 80 in Tullynacross (Drumbeg, Down)

Surname Forename Age Sex Relation to head Religion Birthplace Occupation Literacy Irish Language Marital Status Specified Illnesses

Samuel John 42 Male Head of Family Church of England Scotland Works Manager Read and write - Married -
Graham Emily 19 Female Servant Church of England C Down Domestic Servant Read and write - Not Married -
Samuel Alan 6 Male Son Church of England C Down Scholar Read and write - Not Married -
Samuel Robert 8 Male Son Church of England C Down Scholar Read and write - Not Married -
Samuel John 10 Male Son Church of England C Down Scholar Read and write - Not Married -
Samuel James 11 Male Son Church of England C Down Scholar Read and write - Not Married -
Samuel Harry 1 Male Son Church of England C Down - Cannot read - Not Married -
Samuel Mary Ann 34 Female Wife Church of England C Down - Read and write - Married -




Name: John Samuel
Event Type: Marriage
Event Date: Oct - Dec 1888
Event Place: Belfast, Ireland
Registration Quarter and Year: Oct - Dec 1888
Registration District: Belfast
Age:
Birth Year (Estimated):
Mother's Maiden Name:
Volume Number: 1
Page Number: 345
GS Film number: 101255
Digital Folder Number: 004179726
Image Number: 00557

Welcome to Genes Allan

Maybe Allan needs a bit of help to find futher info Reggie, as he only joined this month?

You may find their marriages on Freebmd as mentioned plus any children they may have had

http://www.freebmd.org.uk/cgi/search.pl

Have you also looked in the 'Search all trees' on this site to see if anyone else has this family in their tree? if so you can click on find out more next to their name and send them a message

Have you tried doing any research yourself?

Looks like the family

1911 census transcription details for: 56 Rosmead St Hull

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National Archive Reference:
RG14PN28666 RD521 SD6 ED9 SN41
Reg. District: Sculcoates
Sub District: Drypool
Parish: Sculcoates
Enum. District: 9
Address: 56 Rosmead St Hull
County: Yorkshire (East riding)
Name Relation Condition/
Yrs married Sex Age Birth Year Occupation Where Born
SAMUEL, John Head Married
23 years M 53 1858 Marine Engineer Ayr Kilbrinie
SAMUEL, Mary Ann Wife Married F 44 1867 Down Downpatrick
SAMUEL, John Son Single M 20 1891 Fitters Labourer Belfast
SAMUEL, Robert Son Single M 18 1893 Belfast
SAMUEL, Allan Son Single M 16 1895 Rivet Leater Belfast
SAMUEL, Harry Son Single M 12 1899 School Down Lisburn
SAMUEL, Mary Daughter Single F 8 1903 School Belafast
SAMUEL, Margaret Daughter F 0 (6 MONTHS) 1911 Hull

Married 23 years 7 children born 6 still living

Robert 18 is stated as being feeble minded

Have you found them on the 1911 census?

After then you can look for any marriages on FreeBMD

My grandfather's family were mostly born in Belfast in the late 19thC but moved to Hull between 1903 and 1910. I am looking to fill in the details of his six siblings. His name was Allan Samuel and his siblings were: James, John, Robert, Harry, Mary and Margaret.
Can you help.
Allan Samuel