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You have been most helpful and that has been acknowledged

Beg pardon, I think I have been very helpful. I would not want Cameron to dismiss the facts based on a preconception or failure to follow them thoroughly, and that is what I have been offering ... the actual facts ... which are 'noted' now ... Please don't chide.

The thing is that I've found two related people who are members here at this site (by finding that Maud was also called BeEcham), in particular the direct descendant of Jonas and Maud (I traced the member's lineage and he is certainly that) ... which is what Cameron started out looking for here. :-)

I simply looked for the names of Maud's siblings in this thread and didn't find them, but that doesn't matter since I found her descendant ... who hopefully still receives messsages through this site.

think you're being a little harsh here JC - Cameron has always been extremely polite in his requests and expressed his gratitude for everything that has been found - many members are not so polite and the last thing any of us should do is "put off" members doing research :-)

Siblings of Maud, in this thread? I don't think so, no.

I guess if you want to contact the descendants you are after you will try contacting the people noted earlier who have Maud or Maude BEECHAM born 1888 in their trees ... one of whom is a direct descendant of Jonas and the other of whom is related to Maud's stepfather ...

Joonie, I had already given siblings previously, your findings and thoughts are noted.
Thankyou for your help in all the above, much appreciated.
Cameron

just to complete, in 1871 Thomas was married to Mary Ann Beacham and living in Bingley

Thomas Beacham 33
Mary Ann Beacham 30
Thompson Beacham 8
William Beacham 6 *
Ann Beacham 5 *
Henry Beacham 3
Elizabeth Beacham 2 Months *

* those children were living with Thomas and Emily in 1881

Mary Ann Beacham died in late 1880

Deaths Dec 1880
Beacham Mary Ann 39 Keighley 9a 127

so son Thomas Henry in 1881 may have been her son

Cameron, you are not helping a lot ! You keep giving little bits of information .........

if you know the names of Maud's sister and brother why not say ?

was her brother not Thomas Henry ?

There is no other Emily Ann Beacham to go around, let alone one with husband Thomas. Yes of course that is her.

we know when William Daffern and Emily married, I posted it already

http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/cgi/search.pl

Marriages Dec >> 1894
Beacham Emily Ann Skipton 9a 90
Daffern William Skipton 9a 90

just because she was using the name Beacham doesn't mean she was actually married. Probably Thomas was already married when they met. Very likely he was the Thomas Beecham who died in early 1891.

In 1891 Emily's name was Beacham and it said she was married ... not to William Daffern or she would have been Emily Daffern. She was his 'housekeeper'. Maybe she did become William's housekeeper after Thomas died, to support herself and Maud.

In 1881, William Daffern was married to Elizabeth and living in Selston Nottinghamshire. Elizabeth was 33.

Elizabeth Daffern aged 42 died in Hinckley reg dist in the last quarter of 1890.

So it looks like Emily and William came together after they were both widowed with young children. It seems she did probably start as his housekeeper and they married 3 years later.

Sorry Joonie this can't be Maud's parents, Emily married a William Daffern in around 1806/7? see 1891 and 1901 census'

Cameron

found them in 1881

but not a violinist :-)


Name: Thos. Beacham
Age: 42
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1839
Relationship to Head: Head
Spouse: Emily Ann Beacham
Where born: Spawick, Suffolk, England

Civil Parish: Keighley
County/Island: Yorkshire
Street Address: 27 Portland Place
Marital Status: Married
>> Occupation: Farm Labourer (Ag Lab)

Thos. Beacham 42
Emily Ann Beacham 41
William Beacham 16
Ann Beacham 15
Elizabeth Beacham 10
Thos.Henry Beacham 3


Emily aged well. She was 42 in 1881 and then 30 years later in 1911 she was 52.

in 1881 ... born in 1840 in Goole
in 1911 ... born in 1859 in Goole

But still no marriage. It looks like maybe Thomas was previously married and only 3 yr old Thos in the family was Emily's.

So Thomas did not need to die, for Emily to marry.

Hi Joonie, Thomas and Emily had at least two other children, a son and a daughter, the daughter died in child hood

But the part in brackets doesn't show up on my accounts page so I can't erase it!

I must know because I adjusted mine after I signed up ...

....... went to my account and took out the part in brackets in my own 'researching' line .......

if it doesn't work I don't know the answer!


edit - and it worked ...... so I still don't know the answer :-)


(really I was hoping we'd get to see Thomas without his whiskers :-D :-D :-D )

Hi Joonie, if you could tell me how to get rid of that "My candidate for Movember" I'd happily do so. I just can't seem to erase it because it doesn't show up on my homepage. Could it be because it's in brackets?

William Daffern was Maude's stepfather in 1901. Her mother, if we interpret it correctly, was Emily A Daffern -- so Emily had already married William.

In 1891, Maude and mother Emily A Beecham were both in the Daffern household. Sorry I missed the mother the first time around! Emily is shown as housekeeper. An arrangement that often covered a multitude of sins, to use an expression and not cast aspersions! Emily was shown as married, William as widowed.

William Daffern and Emily Ann Beacham married in 1894 in Skipton reg dist.

I think Thomas Beacham, and Emily's marital status, may have been mythical.

I see no marriage for them or death for him.

A Thomas Beecham aged 64 did die in Mar quarter 1891 in Dewsbury but unless Emily had not heard, she would not have been 'married' in 1891.

Only Maud's birth cert will say for sure

Births Mar 1888
BEACHAM Maud Keighley 9a 189

heh heh, sorry, Cameron, I was talking about Margee's great-grandfather in her picture there. But your man was a Thomas too.

And Maude's mother married a Daffern. Well there we are, I think. If only we had known!

Hi Margee and Joonie, Yes Thomas was Maud's father and was listed as a violinist (deceased) when she married A Crichton in 1915. Her mother Emily A married a William Daffern so I take it that Thomas had died by 1907?
Many thanks again,
Cameron

thank you Margee ! Yorkton is where their son was born :-)

(I think somebody needed to tell Gr-Grfather Thomas that Movember ended a while back!)

Her arrival in Canada:

Canadian Passenger Lists, 1865-1935
about Maud Daffern Name: Maud Daffern
Gender: Female
Age: 20
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1887
Date of Arrival: 23 Nov 1907
Vessel: Empress of Ireland
Search Ship Database: View the 'Empress of Ireland' in the 'Passenger Ships and Images' database
Port of Arrival: Halifax, Nova Scotia and St John, New Brunswick
Port of Departure: Liverpool, England
Roll: T-508

Heading to Yorkton, Saskatchewan to be married.

this may have been mentioned but two people here have

Maud or Maude BEECHAM born 1888 in their trees ... check the surnames of the two tree owners and I think you will have the connection :-D

(I'm not putting them here because I don't think it's fair to other members to name them when they are not participating in the discussion.)

who were Maud's parents, Cameron?

we could look for them in those English censuses to see what the situation was, or maybe travelling to Canada.