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Tia

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Would really recommend you get the marriage cert first.

If that doesn't help then the birth cert for Edwin.

Searches can only go so far on BMD,s and census . Certs are often needed for info and or verification.
We have all been there and sometimes bought the wrong certs. But at least they keep us on the right track

Personally I like to be 99.9percent sure I am with the right family

Me too !, looked at all that info Barbara.

Tia really needs the marriage cert.

i was sorting out ma kids sorry i wasnt ordering any certs till i got the information and i could find out weither it was the right people

It's OK Shirley, I have spent hours looking for her on census too !!

There is a Elsie born June quarter 1888--however she seems to have married a Frank
Chambers--so not that one either !!

And the 1917 birth for Elsie Shadlock -- would have been too young to marry in 1925

Without Edwin's Birth Cert we can't be sure who his parents were.

I tried to cross match marriages (in case his Mum had been married before) looking for ? Shadlock marriage --and then looking for her under her married name , marrying a ? Redfern --but no luck there either.

Best Wishes

Barbara x

PM sent to Tia to advise coming back to the thread before ordering any certs.

Thanks Barbara explains why she isnt showing on the census.

Hi Tia

You really do need Edwin's Birth Cert. to see the names of his Mum and Dad --

The Elsie Shadlock born 1896-- I think died and was registered in March Quarter 1898

Births Sep 1896 (>99%)
Shadlock Elsie Caistor 7a 662

Deaths Mar 1898 (>99%)
Shadlock Elsie 1 Caistor 7a 461


If so not this Elsie who married Edwin's father.


Best Wishes
Barbara x

If that is the right family then this is their marriage

Marriages Sep 1890
Davies Elizabeth Hawkesworth Chorlton 8c 996
Redfern George Chorlton 8c 996

Maybe William but you need to verify this against the marriage cert . Plus too witnesses on the cert could be family .

Name: William Redfern
Age in 1911: 18
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1893
Relation to Head: Son
Gender: Male
Birth Place: Hartington, Derbyshire, England
Civil Parish: Lincoln
County/Island: Lincolnshire
Country: England
Street Address: Bargate Lincoln
Marital Status: Single
Occupation: Labourer Iron Foundry
Registration District: Lincoln
Registration District Number: 418
Sub-registration District: Lincoln Home
ED, institution, or vessel: 8
Piece: 19727
Household Members:
Name Age
G Redfern 49 occ lab in iron foundry born Peterborough
Elizabeth Redfern 39 b Eston. Staffordshire
William Redfern 18
Ellen Redfern 16
George Redfern 14
Burtie Redfern 6
Walter Redfern 3 b Lincolnshire

Source Citation: Class: RG14; Piece: 19727.


The children were born in various county's so the family has moved around a bit

I would get their marriage cert for both dads names (if known) and their ages at marriage

??

England & Wales, Death Index, 1916-2006 about Elsie Redfern
Name: Elsie Redfern
Birth Date: abt 1896
Date of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep 1965
Age at Death: 69
Registration District: Nottingham
Inferred County: Nottinghamshire
Volume: 3c
Page: 274

ok thank you very much for helping me
:-D

I have looked too. Not getting her on 1901&1911 censuses.

Think you you will have to buy her birth cert for her parents names

Births Sep 1896
Shadlock Elsie Caistor 7a

i have tryed the 1901 census it just saying no result

Mmn isn't in the GRO ref before 1911 you would need to buy the birth cert for her parents names

Have you looked for her on the 1901 census?

thats what i just found this is not proving easy.
i found elsie redferns birth it doesnt tell me what her mothers maiden name was and i have know idea how to find it and i dont know how to find william redferns mother and father either

On FreeBMD using the surname combination


Marriages Dec 1925
Redfern William Shadlock Thorne 9c 1907
Shadlock Elsie Redfern Thorne 9c 1907


Use FreeBMD website

www.freebmd.org.uk



You will need to buy their cert for their ages and fathers names so their births and census info can be found

Name: Edwin D Redfern
Mother's Maiden Surname: Shadlock
Date of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep 1934
Registration District: Glanford Brigg
Inferred County: Lincolnshire
Volume Number: 7a
Page Number: 976

This is the information i have Edwin redferns mothers maiden name is shadlock.
Edwin was married to pearl cowling and they have 6 children which i know but i am trying to get information on Edwin redfern,s mother and father i have maiden name and nothing else i don't even know where she was born and i don't know his fathers name or where he was born either.

Same with Edwin!


Name: Edwin D Redfern
Mother's Maiden Surname: Shadlock
Date of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep 1934
Registration District: Glanford Brigg
Inferred County: Lincolnshire
Volume Number: 7a
Page Number: 976


FreeBMD is a free site and should be a port of call for earlier BMD,s