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It's OK Shirley, I have spent hours looking for her on census too !!

There is a Elsie born June quarter 1888--however she seems to have married a Frank
Chambers--so not that one either !!

And the 1917 birth for Elsie Shadlock -- would have been too young to marry in 1925

Without Edwin's Birth Cert we can't be sure who his parents were.

I tried to cross match marriages (in case his Mum had been married before) looking for ? Shadlock marriage --and then looking for her under her married name , marrying a ? Redfern --but no luck there either.

Best Wishes

Barbara x

i was sorting out ma kids sorry i wasnt ordering any certs till i got the information and i could find out weither it was the right people

Me too !, looked at all that info Barbara.

Tia really needs the marriage cert.

Tia

We crossed

Would really recommend you get the marriage cert first.

If that doesn't help then the birth cert for Edwin.

Searches can only go so far on BMD,s and census . Certs are often needed for info and or verification.
We have all been there and sometimes bought the wrong certs. But at least they keep us on the right track

Personally I like to be 99.9percent sure I am with the right family

i unfortunately don't know a lot of information on the redfern family tree my father-in-law Raymond redfern hasn't had contact with his father since edwin redfern was 29 yrs old and knows nothing about his mother or father either so i a little stuck..

As we have said you need to get some certs

This Family History hobby isn't cheap I am afraid.dread to think how much I have paid out. lol

Surname Given Name Spouse District Volume Page Transcriber
Marriages Dec 1925
Redfern William Shadlock Thorne 9c 1207
this is all i can find

which is basically what you have already sent me

Buy that cert using the ref


www.gov .uk is where to buy it costs £9.25!


You have to register .free , the specify what cert is needed . Don't forget to tick the box that asks if the GRO ref is known. Then fill in the ref where asked .

Use the spellings as listed , for a marriage certbyou only need to quote one of the names

Hi

Shirley if Tia knows for certain that Edwin was the father -then its his birth cert she needs :-S

--this should tell Tia the name of both his parents

This could save her buying the marriage cert---or at least help to look for the right one, when she finds Edwin's parents names as we are not sure they were named William and Elsie


Barbara x

Redfern Douglas M. Shadlock Glanford B. 7a 1052 Redfern Edwin D Shadlock Glanford B. 7a 976 Redfern Brian J. Shadlock Glanford B. 7a 1038
This is the information i have found on freeMBD on Edwin redfern's birth and his brothers birth records and the only redfern and shadlock i can find on the marriages is the same as you have found.
Redfern William Shadlock Thorne 9c 1907
Shadlock Elsie Redfern Thorne 9c 1907
so does that mean i am on the right track or do i still need the birth cert for edwin??

Hi Tia

I think you do need Edwin's Birth Cert, As I said in an earlier posting we can't be sure that William and Elsie were his parents.

Although we know he was born to a ? Redfern and his mothers maiden name was Shadlock --and William and Elsie's marriage seems to be the only one that fits, BUT of the Elsie Shadlock's born

Births Jun 1888 (>99%)
SHADLOCK Elsie Caistor 7a 689

Seems to have married

Marriages Jun 1908 (>99%)
Shadlock Elsie Caistor 7a 1679 (Frank Chambers)
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I think this is the birth and death index for this Elsie

Births Sep 1896 (>99%)
Shadlock Elsie Caistor 7a 662

Deaths Mar 1898 (>99%)
Shadlock Elsie 1 Caistor 7a 461
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And this one is too young to have married in 1925

Births Dec 1917 (>99%)
Shadlock Elsie Millett Gainsbro' 7a 1021
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My thinking is that a Miss Shadlock married--- and then married a Mr Redfern in her married name (any children of this couple would still have mothers maiden name as SHADLOCK)

So if you are sure the Edwin D Redfern is the right Edwin for your research, then I would say it would be well worth £9.25 for cert to see his parents names.

Barbara x

OK thank you i thought i would just make sure because i wasn't sure. thats what i will do then.

Hi Tia

Are you certain that birth is the right one for "your" Edwin ?

If so it should give the names of both parents

IF his Mum had been married before it should say so ---- something like

first name /s Redfern
formally ?? = her 1st married name
Nee Shadlock

Hope this helps :-)

Barbara x

yes i am sure of the birth of the edwin in the family tree his son told me and he told me his brothers names douglas and brian. I know edwin married a cowling and i know there children but at the moment can not get the cert i need for edwin as i have money problems so i still trying to find there parents on her which is proving difficulf without the cert that i need which i will get when i can.

Edwin D Redfern m. Cowling in 1956

Are these people alive?

Edwin had/has five siblings

Edwin had 2 brothers that i know off my father in law said one was called Douglas and our was Brian . I do not know if there are any others as that is the information i was given.

i know that cowling is alive i am unsure of Edwin as his son my father in law hasn't seen his father in years

use freebmd to find info yourself...............

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