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16 Apr 2013 19:14 |
Hi Shirley Thanks most sincerely for the large amount of information you have managed to find. Frederick and Lillian were obviously a well-travelled couple. From the new information you have obtained, I think we can glean that;:- 1) Frederick Freemantle was born in 1897 2) He was an electrical engineer by profession 3) He and Lillian had a daughter named Margaret who was born c1925 probably before the couple got married. Her place of birth is as yet unknown. 4) Lillian appears to have died sometime between 1938 and 1954 in a place as yet unknown 5) Frederick appears to have emigrated to South Africa in 1954 after he had retired. Can you add anything to this? Regards Colin
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16 Apr 2013 13:39 |
further travel info Britain: outbound passenger lists leaving UK 1890-1960 - person transcript
PrintClose Name: Fred FREEMANTLE Date of departure: 15 August 1924 Port of departure: London Destination port: Demerara Destination country: Guyana (British Guiana) Date of Birth: 1897 (calculated from age) Age: 27 Marital Status: Sex: Male Occupation: Elect Engr Notes: Passenger recorded on: Page 1 of 2 Ship: NAVIGATOR Official Number: 135575 Master's name: I Mowat Steamship Line: Harrison Where bound: West Indies Square feet: Registered tonnage: 2404 Passengers on voyage: 1
Britain: outbound passenger lists leaving UK 1890-1960 - person transcript
PrintClose Name: Frederick FREEMANTLE Date of departure: 6 October 1928 Port of departure: Avonmouth Destination port: Port of Spain (Trinidad) Destination country: West Indies Date of Birth: 1897 (calculated from age) Age: 31 Marital Status: Married Sex: Male Occupation: Govt Officer Notes: Passenger recorded on: Page 4 of 8 The following people with the same last name travelled on this voyage: - Lillian FREEMANTLE Margaret FREEMANTLE Ship: CAVINA Official Number: 147896 Master's name: A D Riseley
Britain: outbound passenger lists leaving UK 1890-1960 - person transcript
PrintClose Name: Frederick FREEMANTLE Date of departure: 25 February 1932 Port of departure: London Destination port: Demerara Destination country: Guyana (British Guiana) Date of Birth: 1897 (calculated from age) Age: 35 Marital Status: Married Sex: Male Occupation: Electric Eng Notes: Passenger recorded on: Page 1 of 3 The following people with the same last name travelled on this voyage: - Lillian K FREEMANTLE Margaret FREEMANTLE Ship: INGOMA Official Number: 135475 Master's name: R Richardson Steamship Line: Harrison Where bound: Demerara, Guyana (British Guiana) Square feet: Registered tonnage: 3565.64 Passengers on voyage: 26
travelled out again in 1954 Britain: outbound passenger lists leaving UK 1890-1960 - person transcript
Name: Frederick FREEMANTLE Date of departure: 17 July 1954 Port of departure: Liverpool Destination port: Durban (Port Natal) Destination country: South Africa Date of Birth: 1897 (calculated from age) Age: 57 Marital Status: Sex: Male Occupation: Retired Notes: Passenger recorded on: Page 1 of 4 Ship: CLAN ROBERTSON Official Number: 185012 Master's name: Capt A Redford Steamship Line: The Clan Line Steamers Limited Where bound: South Africa Square feet: Registered tonnage: 7878 Passengers on voyage: 10 Home address "woodcroft" Leesons Hill Chislehurst Kent
Intending to live in South Africa
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16 Apr 2013 12:49 |
Was a WW2 casualty CAIN, LILLIE
Rank: Civilian Date of Death: 16/04/1941 Age: 55 Regiment/Service: Civilian War Dead Reporting Authority BECKENHAM, MUNICIPAL BOROUGH Additional Information: of 11 Southend Road. Wife of Charles William Cain. Died at 11 Southend Road.
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16 Apr 2013 12:47 |
looks like her death based on the Bromley marriage
Name: Lillie Cain Birth Date: abt 1886 Date of Registration: Apr-May-Jun 1941 Age at Death: 55 Registration district: Bromley Inferred County: Kent Volume: 2a Page: 1471
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16 Apr 2013 12:44 |
Civil Registration event: Marriage
Print Close MarriageFinder: Lillie Rae married Charles W Cain Name: RAE, Lillie Registration district: Bromley County: Kent Year of registration: 1926 Quarter of registration: Apr-May-Jun Spouse's last name: Cain Volume no: 2A Page no: 1411
Name: CAIN, Charles W Registration district: Bromley County: Kent Year of registration: 1926 Quarter of registration: Apr-May-Jun Spouse's last name: Rae Or Rettie Volume no: 2A Page no: 1411
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16 Apr 2013 12:30 |
just got Margaret aged 19 with him so maybe Lillian had died
Name: Frederick Freemantle Birth Date: abt 1897 Age: 48 Port of Departure: Port Said, Egypt Arrival Date: 26 May 1945 Port of Arrival: Southampton, England Ports of Voyage: Port Said Ship Name: Pasteur Search Ship Database: View the 'Pasteur' in the 'Passenger Ships and Images' database Shipping Line: Cunard White Star Official Number: 166305
been living in Palestine
occ retired civil servant prosed address Montpellier Hotel New Brighton Cheshire
so seems not to have a permanent home in the UK BUT is listied as intending to live in the UK
note they are returning post WW2 and were in Palestine where there was lots of fighting in WW2 maybe Lillian died there. not seeing her on Consular or overseas deaths
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16 Apr 2013 12:14 |
been living in Palestine
Name: Mrs Lillian Freemantle Birth Date: abt 1907 Age: 31 Port of Departure: Bombay, India Arrival Date: 10 Apr 1938 Port of Arrival: London, England Ports of Voyage: Bombay Ship Name: Manela Search Ship Database: View the 'Manela' in the 'Passenger Ships and Images' database Shipping Line: British India Steam Navigation Company Ltd Official Number: 144250
with Fred and Margaret now aged 13 london address Kings Court Hotel Lancaster Gate London
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16 Apr 2013 12:11 |
With Fred and Margaret aged 5 home address c/o Crown Agents Millbank London
Name: Lillian Freemantle Birth Date: abt 1907 Age: 24 Port of Departure: Demerara, Guyana Arrival Date: 2 Jul 1931 Port of Arrival: London, England Ship Name: Ingria Search Ship Database: Search the 'Ingria' in the 'Passenger Ships and Images' database Shipping Line: Harrison Line Ltd Official Number: 135475
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16 Apr 2013 12:09 |
name: Lillian K R Rae Spouse Surname: Freemantle Date of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep 1928 Registration district: St Albans Inferred County: Hertfordshire Volume Number: 3a Page Number: 2513 Find Spouse: Frederick Freemantle
arrived from British Guana with husband Frederick an electrical enginneer and daughter Margaret aged 8. proposed address in the UK St Peters Street St Albans
UK Incoming Passenger Lists, 1878-1960 about Lillian K Freemantle Name: Lillian K Freemantle Birth Date: abt 1906 Age: 28 Port of Departure: West Indies Arrival Date: 12 Jul 1934 Port of Arrival: Plymouth, England Ports of Voyage: La Ceiba Ship Name: Caribia Search Ship Database: View the 'Caribia' in the 'Passenger Ships and Images' database
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16 Apr 2013 11:58 |
You can look on FreeBMD for posible children for Lilian and Frederick by using their surname combination and area they married/lived
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16 Apr 2013 11:45 |
I am trying to find any living relatives of my grandmother's youngest brother. He was William Rae who was born in1874 in Aberdeen, Scotland but spent some of his life working as a rice merchant in India and living in the south of England. He married Lillie Rettie in Aberdeen in 1905 and together they had one child Lillian Kathleen Rettie Rae who was born in Rangoon, India, the following year. The couple divorced in 1926 and I think that their daughter married a Frederick Freemantle in St Albans in 1928. I do not know if they had any children or what happened to her and her father after that.. Can anyone please help me?
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