Find Living Relatives

I think one of the marriages (Dainty was 1960, so it may have only been one marriage, if it was the 1060 marriage to some named Barnes, it could be the one showing on the electoral roll

has it been noted that there are two Barnes-Baker births in Brighton, 1960 and 1962?

One child married in Brighton and probably again in Lewes, and there seem to be births to both marriages.

Children from both of that child's marriages are with the couple on the electoral roll to 2016. I don't see a telephone listing for the couple or any of the three children.

If I'm following at all, the first marriage of a possible Maureen was in 1960.

At that time, a divorced woman usually remarried under her first married surname, I think - or else the record will show both her birth surname and her married surname.

So I think it's unlikely that a Maureen Baker marriage after the 1960 marriage would be the same person.

Jane, we have no way of knowing whether all these things you have been told by someone are likely to be correct or not.

someone at this site? at another site? someone who knows the people?

The info could be just guesses, and could be guesses by someone who is not experienced at research and is getting it wrong, for all we know.

I'm assuming you're looking up these marriages on FreeBMD, but may not know how it works.

When you see the entry:

Marriages Jun 1963 (>99%)
BOWLES FREDERICK E W BAKER BRIGHTON 5H 190

if you click on the number at the end (in this case 190), it will show you the full name of the other spouse, as in my post above.

There's a marriage of a Frederick G W Bowles to an Agnes Bowles in Hendon in 1971.
Is that the one you mean? The initials are Frederick's , not his wife's.

(First you said his wife was Baker, then you said she was Bowles - which is correct?)


EDIT:

Oh, I see.
You mean this one ? :

Marriages Jun 1963 (>99%)
BAKER MAUREEN E BOWLES BRIGHTON 5H 190
BOWLES FREDERICK E W BAKER BRIGHTON 5H 190

Again, the initials E W are Frederick's not his wife's. Her middle initial is E.

That's the marriage already mentioned by DetEcTive.

That was either the year before or the year after the Maureen E Baker marriage, and it was a Frederick Bowles that was marrying an E W Bowles

I'll send you the address of the Maureen E Bowles so that you can write to her. Please use your discretion as there may be no connection.

I can't see the E W Baker to Bowles marriage - what year do you have for that?

If it was the one that married Mr Dainty, then they are both dead, but if it was the one that married Mr Bowles, then she could still be alive, although there is also a Frederick Bowles that married an E W Baker, and I think that is my dads previous wife, were the two people with the surname Bowles, Father and son

Although 3 years seems a rather short period to have married, divorced & remarried, there is a record of a Maureen E Baker marrying a Mr Bowles in 1963. Perhaps that's were you got the 2nd marriage year from?

There's also a Maureen E Baker m to Mr Kelly in 1970.

Of course, she may have moved out of Sussex altogether.

Have you thought of tracing her mother and any possible half siblings if her mother remarried? If her mother has died, she may have been the informant on the DC, or mentioned in a Will if her estate went to Probate.

Brian M K Barnes did marry *a* Maureen E Baker in 1960. But how do you know that she was *your* Maureen?

There's 3 potential Maureen E Bakers he may have married who were born
1Q 1936 Worthing
4Q 1936 Worthing
4Q 1942 Brighton

As he was born 1941, the odds are that it's the one born 1942, but on the other hand it could have been one of the 1936 ladies, or someone completely different who was born in another area.

We can probably rule out the 4Q 1936 Maureen as the 1939 register suggests she only married the once, in 1963 to a Mr Dainty.

If you believe your informant is correct that Brian is living with a Carol, then it may be best to ask them to provide you with an address so that you can write. Brian should be able to confirm his first wife's parents names, and possibly what happened to her.

I have looked it up and also someone else has contacted me about this and told me this is true. But she says he lives with a Carol Barnes (Moody) and her son by him, but they have never married, even though she has taken his name

Thank you :-)

Just to rule out 'wrong turns' , do you know for sure that your half sister married Brian M K Barnes? As mentioned in a previous post, there are a total of 3 Maureen E Bakers born within a year or two.
Unless family told you who she married, or you've bought the MC, the marriage could be to one of the others.

Maureen Baker is my dads daughter from a previous marriage, so would be my half sister

As you are now enquiring about Brian's first wife, could you please explain why you are interested? Although we are happy to try to reunite living relatives, you don't seem to know a great deal about any of the named people.

The surnames Barnes & Baker are both quite common. As there were 3 Maureen E Bakers born in the right time frame, in or near Brighton, we could be sending you on a wild goose chase.

If you haven't already, send a message to the Brian M K Barnes who has a tree on this site. The link was given earlier. If he can still receive messages on the linked email address, he will be able to reply to you and, hopefully, answer your more intimate queries.

His marriage to Maureen A Thomas was in 1973 - that's the one we've been trying to tell you about :-D

Although there are 2 Barnes/Thomas Births, 1975 & 1976 in Tonbridge, Kent there's no guarantee that they are Brian's children. There were no Barnes/Thomas children born in Brighton 1980 +/- 5.
Shirley thinks that he didn't have any children with either wife, certainly not in the Brighton area.

I think his 2nd marriage was Maureen Thomas. All I would like to find out is if the first marriage to Maureen Baker, did she have any children, and also is she still alive, and does she go under her married name or did she go back to her single name

If it's relevant, he was born in 1941. Have you looked to see if he had any siblings? They may be easier to trace & have more recent information.

Have you looked for Anthony P J, born 1945? He does have a much younger sister but, with no middle initials, she'd be harder to trace.
Anthony also seems to have disappeared.

When he married Maureen in 1960 he used the middle initials M K.
When he remarried in 1973, he also used the middle initials M K.

The 1965 marriage you've found is either a different man, or he didn't declare his middle names.

It's all rather irrelevant as he doesn't appear to be on ER. His 3rd, according to you, or 2nd, according to everyone else, marriage was also to a Maureen.

This is the record of the one I am interested in BAKER Maureen E. BARNES Brighton 5h 112 Peaklander

Thanks for all your help, but Brian M K Barnes, married Maureen Baker in 1960, on another site, I have noticed that he remarried in 1965