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Why is the Betty A Spencer that married Ellingford nesesarily Bobs? Have we somehow established that she deffo is?

http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:LppNgPloHVsJ:www.mybrightonandhove.org.uk/page_id__10367_path__0p117p158p.aspx+&cd=4&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=uk

Betty Russell ? If it's her brother why is he called Ellingford ?

My Late Mother's Brother was killed at Arnhem, aged 21 on 21st. September 1944
GEORGE EDWARD ELLINGFORD



Lost Uncle by Rick Smallman (Member 10257404) on 1-Feb-2011
I am trying to find Terence (Terry) Ellingford who lived in Sussex Street in Brighton. I am his nephew and I now live in Australia. Regards

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http://www.knowhere.co.uk/Canvey-Island/Essex/South-East-England/messages

perhaps email him cos if his mum & dad are Smallman/Russell where does Ellingford fit in ??
Harry SMALLMAN married Harriett E RUSSELL

He is on FACEBOOK as well
& a GR member

http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:loqHQytVYeoJ:www.commandoveterans.org/cdoForum/posts/listByUser/15/274.page+&cd=13&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=uk

this link mentions J. W. P. Ellingford


another

https://twitter.com/wwiimemories/status/37214437609836544

BETTY WENT TO AUSTRALIA
NO SIGN OF GLADYS ( BARNFATHER )
LOOKS LIKE SHE WENT AFTER 1960 AS NO SIGN OF HER CHILDREN
son is an OLD GR member


This is why we could not find them :-S


Passenger lists leaving UK 1890-1960
ELLINGFORD Betty A 1928 F 1952 London Australia Adelaide
ELLINGFORD Elaine L 1951 F 1952 London Australia Adelaide
ELLINGFORD John W P 1921 M 1952 London Australia Adelaide
ELLINGFORD Steven J 1948 M 1952 London Australia Adelaide

The name RESLAND does not feature in any birth, marriage or death searches on freebmd. I therefore think this is likely to be a child of a PRESLAND mother.

Sometimes the GRO index is wrong.
My own sister and I are shown with diffeent spellings for our mother's maiden name.

Of the listed marriages, the Brighton one is the most likely going by it's proximity to Betty's birth area compared with the others and now the added information that a sibling was born in Brighton area gives weight to that being the marriage cert. that I'd go for .

Gwyn

More thanks for more suggestions. Firstly, Betty's brother. How did I miss that one? The Gladys born in Brighton, on the original entry the mother is shown as Resland, I don't think it was a spelling mistake but I may be wrong. I have only found two deaths for a Sydney J Spencer to 1984 and one of them looks promising enough to send for the death cert. The death was registered in Cuckfield, W.Sussex. There is a death for a Edith M Spencer of the right age registered in Brighton, which is quite near Cuckfield, but I will wait for Sydney's cert to arrive first. Once again, thanks for all your help and suggestions

What about Betty's brother born 1923


How does a GLADYS J Spencer born 1921 BRIGHTON fit in the family tree


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Just a bit more...Sydney and his first wife may have had a daughter. Edith nee Taylor died in Worksop in 1918. There is a birth of a Nellie Spencer in Worksop in Sept qtr 1917, mother's maiden name Taylor. Bob (clutching at straws)

By the way, I know where they all were in the 1911 census, and I have the ancestors back to the late 1600s, that was the easy part. Bob

It is a very long story. Sydney was one of eight siblings. He was a widower when he married Edith Presland, his previous wife was Edith R Taylor who died in 1918. His sister Amy gave birth to three eligitimate children, one of whom was my M-in-L. The other two died without issue. His sister Grace married Leonard Homewood in 1936 aged 40. Apart from those, the line just seems to have disappeared. My wife has no known relatives from that side of the family. We don't even know what happened to Amy, as her daughter (also Grace) was given up for adoption as a baby. Bob

It is a very long story. Sydney was one of eight siblings. He was a widower when he married Edith Presland, his previous wife was Edith R Taylor who died in 1918. His sister Amy gave birth to three eligitimate children, one of whom was my M-in-L. The other two died without issue. His sister Grace married Leonard Homewood in 1936 aged 40. Apart from those, the line just seems to have disappeared. My wife has no known relatives from that side of the family. We don't even know what happened to Amy, as her daughter (also Grace) was given up for adoption as a baby. Bob

no one knows anything about her at all?

Thanks for the suggestions. I found all the possible marriages on Free BMD, but there are too many to start sending for certificates. My wife's Spencer family are extremely elusive!!! Bob

Various possibilities

1 Betty A Spencer (Ellingford) Oct-Nov-Dec 1945 Brighton Sussex
2 Betty A Spencer (Ridings) Oct-Nov-Dec 1951 Hemsworth Yorkshire West Riding
3 Betty A Spencer (Thorne) Oct-Nov-Dec 1951 Hammersmith London
4 Betty A M Spencer (Probert) Jan-Feb-Mar 1954 Worcester Worcestershire
5 Betty A Spencer (Roberts) Jul-Aug-Sep 1955 Bilston West Midlands
6 Betty A Spencer (Squirrell) Oct-Nov-Dec 1959 Lothingland Suffolk


Couple 1 had at least 2 children , one girl E one boy S
2 Lots of potential births
3 Looks like a son R + other possibles
4...any connections with Glamorganshire??
5 probably lots of possibilities, common name combo
6 2 dau M & AJ

Presumably she married at some point, anyone know if she did and to whom?

I am looking for Betty A Spencer, born 1927 in Sevenoaks district. Her parents were Sydney John Spencer and Edith Presland. She would have been the cousin of my late Mother-in-Law, Grace Spencer. Bob Waight