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Appreciate these suggestions. We will work on that, thank you..I did contact another genes member but he didn’t feel free to share understandably, regarding a similar Barry. But I hope with a process of elimination and your suggestions we might get closer to the truth.

He may not have been adopted, but remained in care with Barnardo's until of an age to live independently, and therefore kept his birth name.

Have you investigated the 1971 marriage of a Barry Farnworth in Bury ?

Or any other marriage of a Barry Farnworth?
There are three other possibilities in Lancashire on FreeBMD - 1971, 1975, and 1985 - but of course he could have married elsewhere, or not at all.

Has any member of his birth family tried contacting Barnardo's?

They have records of every child in their care since the 1870's.

Details of who can apply for information, and how to do it, here:
https://www.barnardos.org.uk/former-barnardos-children

Re-reading this thread, it is interesting that both birth dates,
15th June 1947 Barry Farnworth Bury, Lancashire
And admitted birth for Michael Barry Hudson 29th June 1947, yet to be identified…
both fell on a Sunday.

The DoB of the child for whom this cert was issued is not the same as that quoted for the deceased person in the original request

To answer Kay,..
The birth certificate was bought from the GRO, knowing that the child existed by our family's amateur historian. She was wife of his brother.
There is no annotation about adoption on it.
I saw it recently,
HELD.....is not the name, she has a copy of the cert in her possession.

Thanks for information

Gillikins


If state,,,,the birth certificate is HELD,,,,,,what does that mean,you have the original or thats the surname.?

If you have the child original name birth certificate and the child was later adopted then applying for another copy will state ---Adopted on it,---as the original was issued PRE--adoption.and not passed through the department for any additional details to be added against the birth.registration.-But it will only confirm an adoption took place and not connect to any new name that may have followed.

Has the brother registered with the Adoption Contact Register?

Info here - if the adoption took place in England or Wales:
https://www.gov.uk/adoption-records/the-adoption-contact-register

If in Scotland:
https://www.acr-scotland.org/

Other countries have similar registers.

If he does, and the missing person also happens to register if looking for his birth family, they may be put in touch with one another.
It's a gamble, of course, as it depends on both people registering.

Unfortunately, if the child was indeed adopted and given a new name, there is no way we amateurs can trace him, as any records will be in the new name, and we don't know what that name might be.

If the date of birth Tina has posted is correct, then her father is not the person you're looking for.
However, as she doesn't have her father's birth cert, the DOB she thinks she knows may not be accurate.

Thank you very much for your advice and help here.

No, the birth certificate IS HELD, , so we have address of birth and mother's name and history of whole family. This is a missing child.

The information I gave was from the grieving brother's mouth. Although the brother is now deceased his wife knows the story.

I have sent a message to Tina on this thread directly, in the hope that she will read it.

Thank you once again

You say -
"If he was adopted under a new name, would he be given a new birth certificate a week later?"

If someone is adopted, they don't receive a new birth certificate.
They have their birth certificate in their original name, and then an adoption certificate in the new name.
Adoption certs are not available or searchable online, as the information is confidential.

A person's birth date doesn't change, no matter when or how often the birth is registered - unless wrong information is given.

The date of birth is not the date when the certificate was issued - unless someone registers a birth on the same day that the child is born, but I don't suppose that happens very often.

However, if the birth date you're going by is just what people have said it was, and not backed up by documentary evidence, it's maybe possible that they have been under the impression that the birth date was different from what it actually was.

Gillikins -

As it's over 8 years since the last post on this thread, Tina isn't likely to be looking here for replies now.

You can try sending her a private message by clicking on her name in green at the top of one of her posts.
If she still uses the same email address, GR will notify her of your message.

I hope I'm not giving a false hope. But I'm searching the boards for anyone born in 1947.
The birth date I have is 15th June 1947. This boy was given away to barnardos, or so the mother said, which upset his older brother, now deceased. He always wanted to find him.
If he was adopted under a new name, would he be given a new birth certificate a week later?
The birth was registered in Bury RD Lancashire.

If you're still interested, I'm willing to communicate privately.
G

I hope I'm not giving a false hope. But I'm searching the boards for anyone born in 1947.
The birth date I have is 15th June 1947. This boy was given away to barnardos, or so the mother said, which upset his older brother, now deceased. He always wanted to find him.
If he was adopted under a new name, would he be given a new birth certificate a week later?
The birth was registered in Bury RD Lancashire.

If you're still interested, I'm willing to communicate privately.
G

thank you.Sorry i forgot to return and look to see if anyone answered.

I think that the birth re-registered was actually re-registered in the June quarter (not the S for September quarter as indicated on the original index. That child was renamed McNamara along with a brother. So either the mother married or re-married?

The leads have been followed up, but have not lead us in the right direction sadly x

We only know he lived in kent when he met my mum,Maidstone kent with his first wife and then Hastings with the second x

Just reread and realised that Hudon isn't mentioned in the birth record however David may have a point as might the others and this could be him. as for the 2 records let me tell you my mums story.

She was born in 1949. Her birth wasn't registared untill 1951. Why cause she was taken by the ss and put in a home. They assumed her mum had registared her but she hadn't. Her record is like the one mentioned. She was finally reg in 1951 when they were trying to get her parents to sign the adoption papers,it then came to light shehadn't ever been reg. x

In about 2009 i found out my dads name Michael Barry Hudson. I then searched birth records (my mum said he was 2 yrs older than her ) and came up with nothing,apart from one who had a lot of initals in his names.
I then search the papers,as mum said he had been trouble and they went to court.I found the paper and he was 19 in the september,so possiably 1947/48.
Then the help of three ladies whose names i am ashamed to say have excaped me. They found some wedding entries and i followed them up,saw there was some children from these marriages but still wasn't sure it was the same man,the only three things that were on the certs ,names ,age and the father crossed out were the same so it was a good maybe.A few letters sent no answers.Then to facebook.I followed these people for a while and then i emailed them via their pages,nothing for a while and then an answer.The rest is so long and the above has been made to sound so simple but i can assure you it wasn't.
My dad died before he was told i had made contact with my sisters. He had 10 more other children than me and two wifes who all say he had no family. However my mum says he had family in Gillingham Kent,but they know nothing about this and one lived with him in Maidstone for a few yrs and she was never told about family. I am going to follow these up thank you allx If you want anymore info i can pm the more private details.(please excuse the spelling mistakes)x