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Hi is anyone out there related to the above surnames please. I am looking for grandma Bessie Pape she died in1919 giving birth to baby girl.
Jean M

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Was she married?

In which country was this?

Presumably this is relevant?

Marriages Sep 1899 (>99%)
Messenger Ellen Islington 1b 402
Pape Bessie Islington 1b 402
Ring Arnold Daniel Islington 1b 402
Smith Charles Islington 1b 402

Births Jun 1914 (>99%)
RING William T Pape Shoreditch 1c 140
Births Dec 1916 (>99%)
Ring Rosina B Pape Shoreditch 1c 113
Births Sep 1919 (>99%)
Ring Mary Pape Shoreditch 1c 52

Is this her? Is it her married name?

Name: Bessie Pape
Birth Date: abt 1854
Date of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec 1920
Age at Death: 66
Registration district: Beverley
Inferred County: Yorkshire East Riding
Volume: 9d
Page: 117

Is this the family in the 1911 census:-

1911 census transcription details for: 189 Offord Road Islington London

National Archive Reference:
RG14PN884 RG78PN31 RD10 SD5 ED13 SN341
Reg. District: Islington
Sub District: Barnsbury
Parish: Islington
Enum. District: 13

Address: 189 Offord Road Islington London
County: London

Name Relation Condition/
Yrs married Sex Age Birth Year Occupation Where Born

RING, Arthur Head Married M 33 1878 Assistant Skindresser Islington London
RING, Bessie Wife Married
12 years F 32 1879 Islington London
RING, Arthur Son M 10 1901 Islington London
RING, Alice Daughter F 8 1903 Islington London
RING, Florence Daughter F 2 1909 Islington London

Kath. x

Is this her death:-


Name: RING, Elizabeth
Registration district: Shoreditch
County: London
Year of registration: 1919
Quarter of registration: Jul-Aug-Sep
Age at death: 40
Volume no: 1C
Page no: 53

and possible birth of the baby girl:-

Name: RING, Mary
Registration district: Shoreditch
County: London
Year of registration: 1919
Quarter of registration: Jul-Aug-Sep
Mother's maiden name: Pape
Volume no: 1C
Page no: 52

Kath. x

1911 census

RING, Arthur Head Married M 33 1878 Assistant Skindresser Islington London VIEW
RING, Bessie Wife Married12 years F 32 1879 Islington London VIEW
RING, Arthur Son M 10 1901 Islington London VIEW
RING, Alice Daughter F 8 1903 Islington London VIEW
RING, Florence Daughter F 2 1909 Islington London VIEW RG number: RG14 Piece: 884 Reference: RG14PN884 RG78PN31 RD10 SD5 ED13 SN341 Registration District: Islington Sub District: Barnsbury Enumeration District: 13 Parish: Islington

6 children born - 3 have died

Use freebmd to look for info about marriages etc for the chlidren

Two baptisms

Alice Elizabeth Ring 16 Nov 1902 Arthur Ring,
Bessie Ring Barnsbury St Clement Islington

Alfred Henry Ring 23 Mar 1906 Arthur Daniel Ring,
Bessie Ring Barnsbury St Clement Islington

And another baptism

Arthur Charles Ring 21 Aug 1899 Arthur Ring,
Elizabeth Ring Barnsbury St David Islington

Name: Bessie Pape
Age: 1
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1880
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: Henry A. Pape
Mother's name: Emma Pape
Gender: Female
Where born: Islington
Civil parish: St Mary Islington
County/Island: London
Country: England
Street Address: 60 Queensbury St

Registration district: Islington
Sub-registration district: Islington East
ED, institution, or vessel: 48
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 263
Folio: 84
Page Number: 33
Household Members:
Name Age
Henry A. Pape 24
Emma Pape 26
Emma E. Pape 4
Bessie Pape 1
Henry A. Pape

Name: Emma Hart
Spouse Name: Henry Arthur Pape
Spouse Age: Full Age
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 11 Sep 1876
Parish: Islington St Peter
Borough: Islington
Father Name: George Hart
Spouse Father Name: William Pape
Register Type: Parish Register

England & Wales, FreeBMD Death Index: 1837-1915 about Alfred Henry Ring
Name: Alfred Henry Ring
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1905
Date of Registration: Apr-May-Jun 1906
Age at Death: 1
Registration district: Islington
Inferred County: London
Volume: 1b
Page: 173


Name: Arthur Charles Ring
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1899
Date of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep 1899
Age at Death: 0
Registration district: Islington
Inferred County: London
Volume: 1b
Page: 223

This is fantastic, very big thank you's to you all, you have given me names of my grandparents and great grandparents along with dates. I did have some of them but now I can look even further. My Grandchildren will be so pleased as they (unlike me at their ages) are very interested in finding out where we all came from.
All I knew was that my Grandad Arthur Daniel Ring married Bessie Pape when they came to who was Jewish, but I think the Family name may have been changed to an English one when they originally came to this Country.
thank's again,
Jean. M.