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Virginia S
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10 Apr 2012 18:08 |
I am trying to find living relations of Frank Rainer born 1876 died August 1953 in Torquay Devon, his daughter Ms E.M.Pearce living at Harvey Road, London registered his death. Frank was the eldest son of Benjimin and Marianne Rainer and was born in Great Yarmouth. Frank workied in banking and was made a bank manager in due course. He had three brothers,Welton (1880) Sidney (1885) and Gevy (1889) and a sister Gertrude (1877). At the age of 20 he and the family were living in London. I know that in 1936 he was living in Hove,Sussex then on to Torquay Devon. I would be glad of any help. Virginia.
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Jonesey
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10 Apr 2012 18:41 |
1911 for reference and his full name:
Name: Frank Shirley Rainer Age in 1911: 35 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1876 Relation to Head: Head Gender: Male Birth Place: Yarmouth, Norfolk, England Civil parish: Camberwell County/Island: London Country: England Street Address: The Bank, High Street, Dulwich Village, Dulwich Marital Status: Married Occupation: BANK MANAGER Registration district: Camberwell Registration District Number: 27 Sub-registration district: Dulwich ED, institution, or vessel: 06 Piece: 2456 Household Members: Name Age Frank Shirley Rainer 35 Edith White Rainer 34 Muriel Edith May Rainer 8 Martha Moore 48
Guessing that Mrs E M Pearce was his daughter Muriel Edith May.
Marriages Sep 1923 Rainer Muriel E M Wimshurst Paddington 1a 3
Marriages Mar 1947 Wimshurst Muriel E M Pearce Newton A. 7a 1039
It does not look as though the Wimshurst/Rainer union produced any children.
It also looks as though Muriel Edith May was the only child of Frank Shirley Rainer and Edith White Musgrave.
Name: Frank Shirley Rainer Age: 25 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1876 Spouse Name: Edith White Musgrave Spouse Age: 24 Record Type: Marriage Event Date: 6 Jul 1901 Parish: Herne Hill Borough: Southwark Father Name: Benjamin Butcher Rainer Spouse Father Name: George Musgrave Register Type: Parish Register
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10 Apr 2012 22:46 |
Name: Muriel E M Pearce Birth Date: abt 1902 Date of Registration: Apr-May-Jun 1960 Age at Death: 58 Registration district: Greenwich Inferred County: Greater London Volume: 5c Page: 498
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10 Apr 2012 22:51 |
1881
Name: Benjamin B. Rainer Age: 33 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1848 Relation: Head Spouse's Name: Marion Rainer Gender: Male Where born: Gt Yarmouth, Norfolk, England Civil parish: Croydon County/Island: Surrey Country: England Street Address: 22a High Street Condition as to marriage: Married
Occupation: Manager Boot And Shoe Trade Registration district: Croydon Sub-registration district: Croydon ED, institution, or vessel: 6 Neighbors: View others on page Piece: 807 Folio: 101 Page Number: 11 Household Members: Name Age Benjamin B. Rainer 33 Marion Rainer 30 Frank S. Rainer 5 Gertrude M. Rainer 4 Wilton M. Rainer 1 Emily Creasey 21 1891
Name: Benjamin B Rainer Age: 43 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1848 Relation: Head Spouse's Name: Marianore Rainer Gender: Male Where born: Istgarmanth, Norfolk, England Civil parish: Lee Ecclesiastical parish: Holy Trinity Town: Blackheath County/Island: London Country: England
Registration district: Lewisham Sub-registration district: Lee ED, institution, or vessel: 12 Neighbors: View others on page Piece: 518 Folio: 116 Page Number: 27 Household Members: Name Age Benjamin B Rainer 43 Marianore Rainer 40 Frank S Rainer 15 Gertrude M Rainer 14 Wilton M Rainer 11 Sidney M Rainer 6 Grey M Rainer 2 Charles C Hull 34 Minnie Kery 24 1911
Name: Benjamin Butcher Rainer Age in 1911: 63 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1848 Relation to Head: Head Gender: Male Birth Place: Yarmouth, Norfolk, England Civil parish: Lewisham County/Island: London Country: England Street Address: 16 Osberton Road, Lee, Kent S E Marital Status: Married Occupation: PUBLISHERS ACCOUNTANT Registration district: Lewisham Registration District Number: 29 Sub-registration district: Lee ED, institution, or vessel: 16 Piece: 2745 Household Members: Name Age Benjamin Butcher Rainer 63 Mary Annie Rainer 60 Gertrude Mary Rainer 33 Gwy Marler Rainer 22 Florence Harriet Buckingham 32 Richard Sydney Field 26
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ErikaH
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10 Apr 2012 22:55 |
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Name: Marianne Rainer Age: 47 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1854 Relation: Wife Spouse's Name: Benjamin Rainer Gender: Female Where born: Massingham, Norfolk, England Civil parish: Lee Ecclesiastical parish: Christchurch County/Island: London Country: England
Registration district: Lewisham Sub-registration district: Lee ED, institution, or vessel: 7 Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 331 Piece: 546 Folio: 28 Page Number: 47 Household Members: Name Age Benjamin Rainer 50 Marianne Rainer 47 Frank Rainer 25 Gertrude Rainer 24 Wilton Rainer 21 Sydney Rainer 16 Guy Rainer 12 Florence Buckingham 23
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ErikaH
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10 Apr 2012 22:57 |
If Muriel was Frank's only child - have you checked? - it seems there are no descendants, as his daughter appears not to have had any children (at least, not legitimate ones)
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ErikaH
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10 Apr 2012 23:02 |
Have you looked in search trees to find out if anyone else on GR is researching this family?
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10 Apr 2012 23:03 |
Births Sep 1888 (>99%) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- RAINER Guy Marler Lewisham 1d 1080
Surname First name(s) Mother/Spouse/Age District Vol Page
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Marriages Jun 1912 (>99%) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Rainer Guy M Woods Strand 1b 1102
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Marriages Dec 1936 (>99%) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- RAINER Guy M Billing Exeter 5b 251
Name: Guy M Rainer Birth Date: abt 1888 Date of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec 1965 Age at Death: 77 Registration district: Brighton Inferred County: Sussex Volume: 5h Page: 193
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10 Apr 2012 23:03 |
Births Mar 1880 (>99%) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- RAINER Wilton Marler Chorlton 8c 877
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Marriages Jun 1906 (>99%) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Rainer Wilton Marler Pancras 1b 298
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ErikaH
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10 Apr 2012 23:10 |
Marriages Mar 1875 (>99%) --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
MARLER Mary Ann King's L 4b 532 MARLER Mary Anne King's L. 4b 532 Rainer Benjamin Butcher King's L. 4b 532
Deaths Sep 1932 (>99%) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Rainer Benjamin B 85 Blean 2a 1052
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Virginia S
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11 Apr 2012 15:37 |
Thank you everyone for your help re Frank Shirley Rainer...Virginia :-) :-D
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Virginia S
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11 Apr 2012 17:19 |
Thank you everyone. Does any one know anything about Frank Shirley Rainer Bank Manager living in Brighton/Hove between 1935 and 1941? V.
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Jonesey
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11 Apr 2012 17:31 |
He made a trip to Australia with his wife in 1934:
Name: Mr F S Rainer Birth Date: abt 1876 Age: 58 Port of Departure: Brisbane, Australia Arrival Date: 24 May 1934 Port of Arrival: London, England Ports of Voyage: Brisbane [Sydney] [Hobart] [Melbourne] [Adelaide] [Colombo] Ship Name: Oronsay Search Ship Database: View the 'Oronsay' in the 'Passenger Ships and Images' database Shipping Line: Orient Line Official Number: 145603
Their address in Hove was 38 Rochester Close, Hove
I have not got a sub to FMP but it appears as if they left Southampton bound for Genoa, Italy that same year:
RAINER Frank Shirley 1876 M 1934 Southampton Italy Genoa RAINER Edith Shirley 1877 F 1934 Southampton Italy Genoa
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Lynski
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12 Apr 2012 04:11 |
Name: Mr Frank Shirley RAINER Date of departure: 4 May 1934 Port of departure: Southampton Passenger destination port: Genoa, Italy Passenger destination: Genoa, Italy Date of Birth: 1876 (calculated from age) Age: 58 Marital status: Married Sex: Male Occupation: Bank Manager Passenger recorded on: Page 1 of 8
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The following people with the same last name travelled on this voyage: - Mrs Edith Shirley RAINER Page 1 of 8 View transcript
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ship: Official Number: Master's name: Steamship Line: Where bound: Square feet: Registered tonnage: Passengers on voyage: MARNIX VAN ST ALDEGONDE J N Egmond Nederland Line Royal Dutch Mail Java, Indonesia 19000 153
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Jonesey
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12 Apr 2012 08:56 |
Based upon what Lynski has found details of it would appear that the Rainers did not travel to Australia. Somehow it appears as if they managed to return from their trip to Italy on a ship that had left Brisbane and probably had called into Genoa on its way back to England.
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Virginia S
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12 Apr 2012 09:17 |
Thank you Jonesey and Lynski you have both been a great help to our family Virginia :-) :-D
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Virginia S
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12 Apr 2012 09:19 |
Thank you Jonesey and Lynski you have both been a great help to our family Virginia :-) :-D
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ErikaH
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12 Apr 2012 13:01 |
1911 census - household transcription Person: RAINER, Wilton Murler Address: 3 Rosenthal Road Catford C RAINER, Wilton Murler Head Married M 31 1880 Bank Cashier Lancashire Manchester VIEW RAINER, Beatrice Bertha Wife Married 5 years F 24 1887 Ireland Killamey VIEW RAINER, Violet Mollie Daughter F 4 1907 Kent Blackheath VIEW RAINER, Kenneth Charles Wilton Son M 2 1909 Kent Catford VIEW
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- RG number: RG14 Piece: 2783 Reference: RG14PN2783 RG78PN95 RD29 SD3 ED34 SN294 Registration District: Lewisham Sub District: Lewisham Enumeration District: 34 Parish:
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ErikaH
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12 Apr 2012 13:08 |
Possible record?
Name: Sidney Rainer Birth Date: abt 1885 Age: 37 Port of Departure: Buenos Aires, Argentina Arrival Date: 27 Apr 1922 Port of Arrival: London, England Ports of Voyage: La Plata [Montevideo] Ship Name: Highland Laddie Search Ship Database: View the 'Highland Laddie' in the 'Passenger Ships and Images' database Shipping Line: Nelson Line Official Number: 129082
Occupation: Representative
Proposed UK address: High St, Torquay
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