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ErikaH
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16 Mar 2012 17:07 |
The first of these births would seem to suggest that Agnes was indeed George's mother
Births Dec 1912 (>99%) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- VIRTH Agnes M Baker Boston 7a 777
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Births Sep 1914 (>99%) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Virth James A Baker Boston 7a 777
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Births Dec 1916 (>99%) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Virth Donald Baker Boston 7a 693
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Births Mar 1919 (>99%) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Virth N**** Baker Boston 7a 527
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ErikaH
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16 Mar 2012 17:06 |
Perhaps Beatrice didn't like her given second name
Births Mar 1886 (>99%) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Baker Beatrice Edith Yarmouth 4b 4
And changed it to Emma - after (possibly) her mother
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ErikaH
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16 Mar 2012 17:00 |
1881
Name: Agnes Virth Age: 17 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1864 Relation: Servant Gender: Female Where born: Midlothian, Scotland Civil parish: Little Steeping County/Island: Lincolnshire Country: England Street Address: The Manor House Occupation: General Serv Registration district: Spilsby Sub-registration district: Spilsby ED, institution, or vessel: 1 Neighbors: View others on page Piece: 3255 Folio: 4 Page Number: 4 Household Members: Name Age John Fortescue 48 Henrietta Lumby 31 Agnes Virth 17
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ErikaH
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16 Mar 2012 14:58 |
1901 - note the second initial
Name: Lizzie V Johnson Age: 16 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1885 Relation: Daughter Father's Name: Thomas Johnson Mother's Name: Anner Johnson Gender: Female Where born: Kirton, Lincolnshire, England Civil parish: North Forty Foot Bank Ecclesiastical parish: Extra Parochial Town: Barley Sheaf and Holland Fen County/Island: Lincolnshire Country: England Registration district: Boston Sub-registration district: Kirton ED, institution, or vessel: 21 Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 16 Piece: 3041 Folio: 97 Page Number: 12 Household Members: Name Age Thomas Johnson 40 Anner Johnson 37 Lizzie V Johnson 16 Agnes Johnson 14 Caroline Johnson 12 Lily M Johnson 10 Rose A Johnson 8 George T S Johnson 6 Daisy Johnson 4 William J Johnson 3 Alice V Johnson 2 Harold B Johnson 10 Months Thomas Johnson 60
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ErikaH
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16 Mar 2012 14:56 |
This looks like 1891 relating to the 1885 marriage posted by patchem
Name: Agnes Johnson Age: 27 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1864 Relation: Wife Spouse's Name: Thomas Johnson Gender: Female Where born: Scotland Civil parish: North Forty Foot Bank Ecclesiastical parish: Holland Fen Town: North Forty Foot Bank County/Island: Lincolnshire Country: England Registration district: Boston Sub-registration district: Swineshead ED, institution, or vessel: 11 Neighbors: View others on page Piece: 2576 Folio: 107 Page Number: 5 Household Members: Name Age Thomas Johnson 30 Agnes Johnson 27 Lizzie Johnson 6 ****************born N 40 Foot Bank, Lincolnshire Alice Johnson 4 Caroline Johnson 2 Lily Johnson 11/12 Thomas Johnson 62 George Johnson 24
********Possibly equates to the birth posted by Glitter baby
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patchem
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16 Mar 2012 14:52 |
This is possibly her in 1901, and there are others, but without that marriage certificate information we are just fishing blind........... 1901 Name: Beatrice E Baker Age: 15 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1886 Relation: Daughter Father's Name: Israel J Baker Mother's Name: Emma Baker Gender: Female Where born: Great Warmorth (Yarmouth) Civil parish: Boston Ecclesiastical parish: St Botolph and St James Town: Boston County/Island: Lincolnshire Country: England ct: Boston Sub-registration district: Boston ED, institution, or vessel: 9 Household schedule number: 212 Piece: 3044 Folio: 159 Page Number: 33 Israel J Baker 33 Emma Baker 35 Beatrice E Baker 15 Israel J Baker 12 Source Citation: Class: RG13; Piece: 3044; Folio: 159; Page: 33.
You have put that you would like pointers/advice.
It is to buy the certificates as you work back.
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ErikaH
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16 Mar 2012 14:51 |
If you purchase the marriage cert, you will learn whether either of them knew their fathers
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ErikaH
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16 Mar 2012 14:48 |
Name: Beatrice E Virth Birth Date: abt 1885 Date of registration: Jul-Aug-Sep 1958 Age at Death: 73 Registration district: Falmouth Inferred County: Cornwall Volume: 7a Page: 36
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ErikaH
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16 Mar 2012 14:46 |
1911 census - household transcription Person: VIRTH, Beatrice Emma Address: 14 Foster Street Boston -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- HARRIS, Ann Head Widow F 75 1836 Old Age Pensioner Holbeach Lincolnshire VIEW VIRTH, George Arthur Boarder Married 4 years M 27 1884 Miller Holland Fen Lincs VIEW VIRTH, Beatrice Emma Boarder Wife Married F 25 1886 Yarmouth Norfolk VIEW VIRTH, Dorothy Emma Boarder Son F 3 1908 Skirbeck Boston Linc VIEW
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ErikaH
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16 Mar 2012 14:45 |
You obviously haven't verified the 'info' you gave in your first post
Marriages Dec 1906 (>99%) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- BAKER Beatrice Emma Boston 7a 909 DOUSE George Henry Boston 7a 909 PICKWELL Betsy Boston 7a 909 VIRTH George Arthur Boston 7a 909
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ErikaH
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16 Mar 2012 14:43 |
The info on the 1901 census is, as with all censuses, as given to the enumerators by the heads of the households, so any 'unreliablility' lies with them
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patchem
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16 Mar 2012 14:26 |
How do you mean that the 1901 census is unreliable?
Added: I cannot see a Beatrice Emma Baker born Yarmouth on free bmd.
Have you got the marriage certificate for them for Fathers' names?
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Michael
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16 Mar 2012 14:13 |
Have found that 1901 cenus very unreliable. knew that he was born in Kirton in 1884 but is not on 1901 census. Am going to get Birth Certificat but cannot get any data off any Virth other than Agnes born in Scotland, Beatrice Emma Baker born in Yarmouth 1886 again no 1901 data Very new to this so any pointers is very much appreciated. Thankyou Cynthia
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patchem
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15 Mar 2012 14:30 |
Was he born before his Mother married? Marriages Jun 1885 Johnson Thomas Boston 7a 773 Verth Agnes Boston 7a 773
You need to get the 1882 birth certificate (as well as that 1906 marriage certificate)
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patchem
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15 Mar 2012 14:26 |
Miller in 1901 (at The Mill Farm) George Varth Age: 18 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1883 Relation: Servant Gender: Male Where born: Kiston Fen, Norfolk, England Civil parish: Freiston Ecclesiastical parish: Frieston St James County/Island: Lincolnshire Country: England Registration district: Boston Sub-registration district: Benington ED, institution, or vessel: 3 Household schedule number: 89 Piece: 3042 Folio: 30 Page Number: 13 Thomas Richardson 44 Frances Richardson 42 Edith Richardson 8 Alvia Hill 14 xxx George Varth 18 miller and baker George Hepton 18 Source Citation: Class: RG13; Piece: 3042; Folio: 30; Page: 13.
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GlitterBaby
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15 Mar 2012 14:23 |
Nor can I find any further trace of this one
Name: Lizzie Virth Virth Date of registration: Oct-Nov-Dec 1884 Registration district: Bourne Inferred County: Lincolnshire Volume: 7a Page: 441
Unless they are both down as Fish on 1891
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patchem
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15 Mar 2012 14:14 |
Holland Fen is about 8 miles from Boston, so same area......
For ref: Deaths Dec 1943 Virth George A 61 Boston 7a 554
Added: Cannot see birth.
Added: Births Dec 1882 Verth George Arthur Boston 7a 432
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GlitterBaby
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15 Mar 2012 13:55 |
1911 but not born in Boston
HARRIS, Ann Head Widow F 75 1836 Old Age Pensioner Holbeach Lincolnshire VIEW VIRTH, George Arthur Boarder Married 4 years M 27 1884 Miller Holland Fen Lincs VIEW VIRTH, Beatrice Emma Boarder Wife Married F 25 1886 Yarmouth Norfolk VIEW VIRTH, Dorothy Emma Boarder Son F 3 1908 Skirbeck Boston Linc VIEW
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- RG number: RG14 Piece: 19590 Reference: RG14PN19590 RG78PN1176 RD415 SD3 ED2 SN449 Registration District: Boston Sub District: Boston Enumeration District: 2 Parish: Boston Address: 14 Foster Street Boston
What research have you done ?
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GlitterBaby
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15 Mar 2012 13:53 |
Have you not got the marriage cert?
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Michael
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15 Mar 2012 13:49 |
Hi Al Born in Boston 1884 Married Beatrice Emma Baker (Yarmouth) in 1902/3 anyone who knows George's and Beatice's Mother and Father wil be greatly appreciated.
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