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Thanks for that Shirley. As he was only registered on the electoral role at 27 Philip Road up until 1965? maybe he did move towards Lewisham. Is there a way to look at the electoral role up to 1978? The person you just came up with looks worth a shot at getting some certificates. The GRO gave me a full refund of the fee on the last misfire - which I thought was good of them.
I am very grateful for your help. best regards jennifer

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Lewisham isn't that far from dulwich and has a big hospital so maybe would be reg in Lewisham if he died in hospital.BUT. Not knowing who he is who knows if this is the right man

First name(s) JOSEPH JOHN
Last name O'KEEFE
Gender Male
Birth day 17
Birth month 7
Birth year 1904
Age -
Death quarter 2
Death year 1978
District LEWISHAM
County London
Volume 14
Page 0617
Country England
Record set England & Wales deaths 1837-2007
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Subcategory Deaths & burials

Do you agree that it is possible for LIlian Mary Bass to have a different name really and just be using Henry Frederick Bass's surname as she was living with him for so long. He was actually married to Mary Ann Bass who also appears at the address now and then. Where did this LIlian Mary come from? Could John J be her son from a previous relationship? It seems to me that finding someone descended from John O'Keefe could answer all my questions. Wonder if he married Vera eventually? Easy to drive yourself barmy in this game! Thanks for your interest.
regards, jen

Thanks Shirley. Do you know if he actually served on a jury or was just listed as someone who could be on call if required to serve?
regards
jennifer

I found them on Ancestry london electoral rolls listings up to 1965.

And they were the only ones at that address each time so not a multiply occupant house.

Maybe it was just a rented house

As far as Jury service it seems you must have lived in the UK for at least 5 years from aged 13 to qualify

What are the requirements for a juror? Does it mean he was born in England -

Now that is interesting Shirley. Bearing in mind that 27 Philip ROad may have been a house with rooms to rent and not necessarily for one family - I wonder if the Vera M Johnson was just another tenant or was she "with John J O'Keefe? How did you find that out? I am not in Ancestry at the moment. THought someone may have treated me to membership at Christmas or even Mother's Day - but no. I wonder if they left that address together.

John J is with Vera M Johnson at the same address in 1961

Name: John J O'Keefe ( is listed a qualifies for Jury service )
Year: 1961
County or Borough: Southwark
Ward or Division/Constituency: Dulwich
Street address: 27 Phillip Road

Edit both still there in 1962

Only wish I knew who she was. Could be HFB's live in love?

Only Henry and Lilian Bass

Name: Lilian M Bass
Year: 1947
County or Borough: Southwark
Ward or Division/Constituency: Camberwell
Street address: 27 Philip Road

So no john O ,Keefe with them then


Same couple in 1945 so who was Lilian m Bass???

Name: Henry F Bass
Year: 1956
County or Borough: Southwark
Ward or Division/Constituency: Dulwich
Street address: 27 Philip Road

with Lilian M Bass and John J O'Keefe


same address and people in 1955

Name: Henry F Bass
Year: 1957
County or Borough: Southwark
Ward or Division/Constituency: Dulwich
Street address: 27 Philip road

with Lilian M Bass and John J O'keefe

Name: Henry F Bass
Year: 1959
County or Borough: Southwark
Ward or Division/Constituency: Dulwich
Street address: 27 Philip Road

with Vera M Johnson and John J O'Keefe

did the lady friend also live there up to uncles death what was her name maybe we can find them on the london electoral rolls on Ancestry

I realise that - but wherever did I get that date from? At that time I was an Ancestry member also . It was November 2013. Maybe it was on the Family Search site. Maybe a wrong assumption that his middle name was Joseph? I really need to get back to grips with all this. At this rate the 1921 census will be out before I get it sorted! A person called John J O'Keefe definitely lived at the same house as my uncle lived - right up to his death in 1959. It has been suggested that he was a son of my uncle's live in lady friend and he only described himself on the death cert as a nephew to save embarrassment!

not seeing that death info on the GRO records

I have just had a disappointing message form GRO saying that the death certificate I requested for John Joseph O'Keefe are wrong and trhey are giving me a refund!. The details I gave them were date of death 11 July 1966 in Stepney aged 52. Now as so much time has elapsed I can't for the life of me remember where I got that date of death from. Could it be from one of you kind people. Any advice as to where now please?
rgards Jen :-(

Thanks Rose. I thought it would have made him a suitable candidate for Nephew in 1959. Just shows - never assume.

http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards/board/ancestors/thread/1293298 etc..............

Previous thread on Lilian/Henry Bass:

http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards/board/ancestors/thread/1303116?page=1