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1911 England Census about George William Allen
Name: George William Allen
Age in 1911: 8
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1903
Relation to Head: Son
Gender: Male
Birth Place: Malton, Yorkshire, England
Civil parish: Huttons Ambo
County/Island: Yorkshire-North Riding
Country: England
Street Address: 2 New Cut Hutton Ambo
Marital Status: Single
Registration district: Malton
Registration District Number: 528
Sub-registration district: Malton
ED, institution, or vessel: 01
Piece: 28986
Household Members:
Name Age
Henry Allen 29
Sarah Allen 30
George William Allen 8
Phyllis May Allen 4



British Army WWI Service Records, 1914-1920 about Henry Allen
Name: Henry Allen
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1882
Age at enlistment: 30
Birth Parish: St Michael's
Birth County: Yorkshire
Document Year: 1912
Regimental Number: 1233
Regiment Name: Yorks Regiment
Number of images: 23


Same address as the 1911 census

Joined up 12 MAR 1912.

Married Sarah Emily Wompra 17 Sep 1901 at St Peter's Church, Horton, Malton, Yorks, By Chris Chaplian, Vicar witness' were Benjamin Wompra and Ralph Jewitt / Fewitt.

Children's DOB

George 30 AUG 1902
Phillis 03 SEP 1906
Gladys 14 OCT 1911
Edith 12 DEC 1914
Dorothy 22 OCT 1917

YOB on census were worked out by the age on census night, so as the 1911 was taken on 2 APR George still would have been 8 , so giving the YOB as 1903.

Joan You also have a thread about this family on Find ancestors

Now helpers are just duplicating what has already been found


http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards.page/board/ancestors/thread/1291600?jump=8003130

Although the DOB for george william Allen says 1903 but I think more like 1902 as my mother was Phyllis may allen, & it says registered 1907 but her birth certificate says 1906.Proberbly because so countrified in those days.
Joan

Sue, You are right, my mother always said she came from Norton, their address was 2 cut cottages, Huttons Ambo.

My mother left home & came to London & changed her name which we did'nt know of. I just wish she'd told us of this as Iv'e missed seeing a lot of relations.

Thanks for all your help. (isnt there a lot of Allens in that area) I think they must of intermarried.
Thanks
Joan

Still wrong year and month:
Births Sep 1902
ALLAN George William Malton 9d 435

Norton is just a small village just outside MALTON.
I have friends that live at both Norton and Malton.

Not Ecclesall as that is a district of Sheffield.

??
Name: George William Allen
Birth Date: 27 Oct 1903
Date of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec 1971
Age at Death: 68
Registration district: Doncaster
Inferred County: Yorkshire West Riding
Volume: 2b
Page: 1005

These are the only Allen births showing on free bmd for Malton from 1902 to 1904:
Births Sep 1902
ALLEN Edith May Malton 9d 432
Allen Guy Meakins Malton 9d 432

??
George William Allen
Date of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep 1898
Registration district: Malton
Inferred County: Yorkshire North Riding
Volume: 9d
Page: 431

But he is showing in 1911:
ALLEN, Henry Head Married M 29 1882 Platelayer Yorks Malton
ALLEN, Sarah Wife Married 10 years F 30 1881 Yorks Malton
ALLEN, George William Son Single M 8 1903 Yorks Norton
ALLEN, Phyllis May Daughter Single F 4 1907 Yorks York

RG number: RG14 Piece: 28986 Reference: RG14PN28986 RG78PN1671 RD528 SD3 ED1 SN82
Registration District: Malton Sub District: Malton Enumeration District:
1 Parish: Huttons Ambo
Address: 2 New Cut Cottages Huttons Ambo County:
Yorkshire (North riding)

Norton comes under Ecclesall, but that birth is for 1904:
Births Dec 1904
ALLEN George William Ecclesall B. 9c 446

I am having trouble finding George's birth reg do you have that?

Thank you all Penny, Kay & Jax, I understand now.

Jax he was my Uncle although I did'nt know him, my mother left home & came to London, but before she came to London she lived with her brother george in Leeds, who'd bought a property in Leeds, she could'nt bear her Father & changed her name so that they could'nt find her.

We didn't know any of this until she was 67, 2 yrs older than my father, she had to tell him, so that she could get her pension.

In her ignorance she thought she would be in trouble for changing her name
she even thought she was born in 1907, but she was actually born in 1906 when they went to Somerset house & got her birth certificate.

I wish she spoken of all this to us as we missed out on a lot of relations.

thanks for everyones help.

Joan

If his name was George William why do you think this marriage is his?

He may not have married in Leeds or at all for that matter

Do you actually know of him?

Hi Joan.

If you refer to one birth details being the same registration but in two sepertate surnames....its mainly because the parents was not married at that time.

or,,,possibly you mean something like ,

1)Jones----John,,,,,--2)Brown-----Someplace.

First is the registered surname,,the second refers the the given maiden name of the mother.early birth records do not show a maiden name.

Its because its an alphabetical listing. If you were to look for Smith it would prob say 'Smith to Smith'.

Eventually It would say 'Smith to Smithe' Then perhaps 'Smithe to Smither'

Look for Brown and there will be pages of Brown to Brown but eventually there will be Brown to Browne.

Thanks Jenny will try that
Joan
ps: in birth records can you tell me why there is from-to at top of page & sometimes two different surnames

Hi maybe try an electoral role search - you need to do his tree eg get his birth then his marriage to check the fathers match. Then search the addresses. If there is a death certificate for him that may have a child's name on it. Hope that helps, J

I'm trying to find any offspring of George william Allen born 19003 in Malton
Iv'e found in 1929 a marraige that could possibly be to Ada Lewis in Leeds
which is most likely, but cannot seem to find children,
Any help would be much appreciated, Thanks
Joan