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arthur morgan williams b1917

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TRACY

TRACY Report 8 Dec 2011 10:13

Hi does anyone have any info on this Arthur we know he had sisters Tydfil or Tydvil .Nan(nancy) and Lalah(not sure what this could be short for) and possibly a brother who came from Wales and moved to Bristol .We cant find who the parents were many thanks

patchem

patchem Report 8 Dec 2011 10:16

Is this his birth, if so, get the birth certificate for parents:
Births Mar 1917
Williams Arthur M Jones Llanfyllin 11b 273

Found here:
http://www.freebmd.org.uk/cgi/search.pl

There are births for Tydfil with mother Jones but not in Llanfylin - do you know how old she was?

Do you know who any of them married, and have you looked for any common ancestors on here?

(There are females named Lala and Lallie, so it does not have to be short for anything)

TRACY

TRACY Report 8 Dec 2011 10:23

Hi thank you for replying to me .This was the date on his marraige certificate only got this to go on he married a Margaret Winstone.Would I be able to find his sisters and brothers under the same name to check I got the right family ? thank you again for your help

patchem

patchem Report 8 Dec 2011 10:27

His marriage certificate will have his Father's name on it - what was it? Also professions. Was he actually born in 1917 or could it have been 1916 and he had not yet had his birthday that year?
Where did he die?
Thanks

You can look for siblings under the 2 surnames, which is what I did to look for Tydvil/Tydfil. (But just think Williams/Jones in Wales)

patchem

patchem Report 8 Dec 2011 10:32

Just to add, these births might be possibles if age just from marriage certificate:
Births Jun
Williams Arthur M Williams Swansea 11a 2089
Births Dec 1916
Williams Arthur M Davies Swansea 11a 1887
Williams Arthur M Davies Pontypridd 11a 1240

Sorry, I am going out now.

Good luck.

TRACY

TRACY Report 8 Dec 2011 10:34

Hi Arthur married Margaret Winstone in 1934 one sister married someone called Britton and another sister married someone called Evans but dont have the first names thank you

TRACY

TRACY Report 8 Dec 2011 10:39

Hi his father name was Morgan James Williams he was coal hewer .This is the first time i sent a post as i normally ask on the tree site thanks

TRACY

TRACY Report 8 Dec 2011 10:43

They moved to Bristol but rumour has it he went back home [wales) in his last years not sure when he died

TRACY

TRACY Report 8 Dec 2011 10:54

Hi thank you again this has been a big help for me hope you have a merry christmas and a happy new year

patchem

patchem Report 8 Dec 2011 14:06

If he went back to Wales then this is a possible death, with a birth at the end of 1916:
Arthur Morgan Williams
Birth Date: 7 Nov 1916
Date of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep 1983
Age at Death: 66
Registration district: Pontypridd
Inferred County: Mid-Glamorgan
Volume: 27
Page: 1159

That could correspond to this birth:
Births Dec 1916
Williams Arthur M Davies Pontypridd 11a 1240

so whether you want to try that one out and see if the Father is Morgan James?

There is this marriage in the same area:
Marriages Dec 1905
DAVIES Margaret Mary Pontypridd 11a 967
PHILLIPS Martha Jane Pontypridd 11a 967
THOMAS Samuel Pontypridd 11a 967
xxx WILLIAMS Morgan James Pontypridd 11a 967

patchem

patchem Report 8 Dec 2011 14:20

That marriage corresponds to this family in 1911, probably completely fanciful, but definitely interesting:
WILLIAMS, Morgan James Head Married M 26 1885 Coal Miner Hewer Glamorgan Hirwain
WILLIAMS, Margret Mary Wife Married 5 years F 23 1888 U S America
WILLIAMS, David Rees Son M 5 1906 Glamorgan Ferndale
WILLIAMS, Martha Ann Daughter F 3 1908 Glamorgan Ferndale
WILLIAMS, Gwynalfryn Charles Son M 1 1910 Glamorgan Ferndale

RG number: RG14 Piece: 32398 Reference:
RG14PN32398 RG78PN1853B RD589 SD4 ED70 SN182
Registration District: Pontypridd Sub District: Rhondda Enumeration District: 70 Parish: Rhondda
Address: 164 North Road Bottom Ferndale Glam County: Glamorganshire

Probably too many siblings with the wrong names for your family.
There are quite a lot of Morgan James Williams in Wales.

patchem

patchem Report 8 Dec 2011 14:22

Found this one:
Births Sep 1920
Williams Tydfil Davies Pontypridd 11a 1542

The problem is that there are so many Williams/Davies births that you will get virtually every name going regardless of correctness.

patchem

patchem Report 8 Dec 2011 15:50

Just to check, was it just Arthur who went to Bristol, or the whole family?
Thanks

patchem

patchem Report 8 Dec 2011 16:08

There is this marriage, I think it should be 1835 as there is no Evans showing for 1833
Marriages Jun 1919
Williams Tydfil Evans Merthyr T. 11a 1833
giving this possible husband:
Marriages Jun 1919
Evans Idris Williams Merthyr T. 11a 1835

TRACY

TRACY Report 8 Dec 2011 19:26

Hi the whole family we guess moved to Bristol but still went back to visit family but dont know whom.With all your information(thank you) i phoned the Rhondda Registration Office in Pontypridd today.They said the mother was possibly Davies or Jones but if i can find out anymore i can write to them .I will need to contact my cousin to see if she can remember any more but I think Arthur (her dad ) left when she 6 or 7 and they never had any contact again .thank you for taking the time to help me if i find this family I will let you know.