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My recent research confirms that my grandfather is the wille Craven living with the Jarmans in 1871. We found an old envelope with the Jarman's adddress in a pack of papers. Still trying to find his parents!!!

From Probate calendar.......

HARGREAVES George of Shipley fields, Shipley Bradford Yorkshire gentleman died 1 May 1895

Probate.. Wakefield to Edmund Pullan, worsted spinner and manufacturer,
William Henry Ellis, surgeon and Gilbert William Holloway, cashier.

Effects, £5788 10s 8d.

I have found a newspaper cutting in an old book of my grandmothers (William Craven's wife) which tells all about the death of George Hargreaves of SHipley, Yorks on 1 May 1895. George was the son of James Hargreaves a prominant figure in Idle. Perhaps my grandfather was somehow related - perhaps a daughter in the family married a Craven and called the children Hargreaves-Craven. Perhaps mygrandfather was illigitimate/adopted. I thought my grandfather met my grandmother when she was on holiday in Torquay and perhaps he was never born there. I have scanned the newspaper cutting but to not know how to attach it to a thread. It is very interesting to read. Help please

Deirdre

Even though his birth doesn't appear to have been registered (no penalties until 1875 for not registering) the odds are that he was baptised.

So a trawl through the Parish records may prove fruitful

They will be at the Devon County Records office........and I would advise starting with the ones for St.John, Tormoham.............the Parish in which he was living in 1871

You could also look at the following site

Devon Online Parish Clerk
Link: http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/OPCproject.html

Thanks - Gwyn in Kent - But William is actually my husband - William Richards - so no more help there.

Any other ideas?

Thank you for information. I too had found the census which included my mother Elsie Craven. I also have a copy of the marriage certificate of William Craven to Emily Foster. It seems that William will be a very difficult person to find any true facts about his time before he married Emily. There was a rumour in the family that the Craven's did have something to do with the Midlands.I have only started my research a couple of moths ago so I am learning all the time. Thanks everyone for your help.

Florence

Births Mar 1853 (>99%)
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Jarman Florence Louisa N. Abbot 5b 145

No sign of a birth for him under either surname.

Rose

1881


Name Relation Marital Status Gender Age Birthplace Occupation Disability
Mary JERMOND Head W Female 63 Sherford, Devon, England Formerly Dressmaker
Florence F. JERMOND Daur U Female 28 Torquay Elementry School Mistress (Image shows initial to be 'L')
William C. JERMOND Son Male 14 Torquay Scholar


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Source Information:
Dwelling Newcomin Rd
Census Place Dartmouth St Petrox, Devon, England
Family History Library Film 1341523
Public Records Office Reference RG11
Piece / Folio 2174 / 26

I think William's info about his 'father' was a flight of fancy

Nice find, Thelma

Interesting that he seems to stick with Florence Jarman/Veale

1871 England Census
about Willie Craner Name: Willie Craner (CRAVEN)
Age: 4
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1867
Relation: Boarder
Gender: Male
Where born: Torquay, Devon, England
Civil parish: Tormonham
Ecclesiastical parish: St John
Town: Torquay
County/Island: Devon
Country: England
Registration district: Newton Abbot
Sub-registration district: Torquay
ED, institution, or vessel: 9
Household schedule number: 255
Piece: 2087
Folio: 92
Page Number: 51
Household Members: Name Age
Mary Jarman 53
Elizth Woodley 24
Florence L Jannace 18
Willie Craner 4

1891 England Census
about Willie Craven Name: Willie Craven
Age: 24
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1867
Relation: Visitor
Gender: Male
Where born: Torquay, Devon, England

Civil parish: St Petrox
Ecclesiastical parish: St Petrox
Town: Dartmouth
County/Island: Devon
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View image

Registration district: Totnes
Sub-registration district: Dartmouth
ED, institution, or vessel: 2
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 1710
Folio: 31
Page Number: 21
Household Members: Name Age
Thomas Veale 45
Florence L Veale 38
Florence F C Veale 1
Willie Craven 24

PM received.........have advised OP to respond on thread

1911

census - household transcription
Person: CRAVEN, Winifred
Address: 37 Sheendale Road


CRAVEN, William Head Married M 43 1868 Traveller Coal Devon Torquay VIEW
CRAVEN, Emily Wife Married
18 years F 37 1874 Surrey Putney VIEW
CRAVEN, Eleanor Daughter Single F 17 1894 Surrey Putney VIEW
CRAVEN, Leonard Son Single M 15 1896 School Surrey Putney VIEW
CRAVEN, Dorothy Daughter F 11 1900 School Surrey Richmond VIEW
CRAVEN, Winifred Daughter F 11 1900 School Surrey Richmond VIEW
CRAVEN, Elsie Daughter F 0 (4 MONTHS) 1911 Surrey Richmond VIEW

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RG number:
RG14 Piece:
3597 Reference:
RG14PN3597 RG78PN135 RD41 SD1 ED17 SN239

1901

Name: William Craven
Age: 34
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1867
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Emily Craven
Gender: Male
Where born: Torquay, Devon, England

Civil parish: Richmond
Ecclesiastical parish: Holy Trinity
County/Island: Surrey
Country: England


Registration district: Richmond
Sub-registration district: Richmond
ED, institution, or vessel: 21
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 19
Piece: 676
Folio: 42
Page Number: 3
Household Members: Name Age
William Craven 34 ***********Tobacconist & Confectioner
Emily Craven 30
Eleanor M Craven 7
William L Craven 5
Dorothy E Craven 1
Winifred B Craven 1
Alice New 21

Birthplaces are not recorded on marriage certs..................

Nowhere on freebmd or Ancestry is there any entry for George Hargreaves Craven

For reference........

Name: William Craven ........gentleman
Age: 25
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1867
Spouse Name: Emily Foster
Spouse Age: 21
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 15 Aug 1892
Parish: Putney St Stephen's Mission Church
Borough: Wandsworth
Father Name: George Hargreaves Craven .....gentleman
Spouse Father Name: Samuel Foster ....builder
Register Type: Parish Register

Address for both bride and groom was Montrose, Santos Road.

Witnesses were Samuel Foster and Eleana Foster

( no mention of Torquay )


EDIT
Are you in contact with William, who also has William Craven in his tree?
Gwyn

My grandfather was William Craven married Emily Foster 1892 in wandsworth His marriage certificate said he was born in Torquay, Devon and his father (my great grandfather) was called George Hargreaves Craven

Does anyone know anything about him.