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20 Oct 2011 19:50 |
Annie was my grandmother. She died in 1938 in Yorkshire. Her Father was John King, a whitesmith by trade. She had, I believe, 5 siblings including a sister called Alice. I never knew her so I am trying to find out more about her and her life. Can you help, please?
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GlitterBaby
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20 Oct 2011 20:00 |
Just for info
Name: Annie Sawden Birth Date: abt 1866 Date of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep 1938 Age at Death: 72 Registration district: Wakefield Inferred County: Yorkshire West Riding Volume: 9c Page: 38
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20 Oct 2011 20:09 |
Possible marriage from free bmd (free for all to search) http://www.freebmd.org.uk/cgi/search.pl Marriages Sep 1890 King Annie Scarbro' 9d 528 Maeer Edwin Scarbro' 9d 528 Pearson Mary Hannah Scarbro' 9d 528 Sawden Abel Scarbro' 9d 528
What children did they have? Thanks
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20 Oct 2011 20:28 |
Curiously the 91 census shows Annie as a daughter of Abel:
1891 England Census about Annie Sawden Name: Annie Sawden Age: 26 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1865 Relation: Daughter Father's Name: Abel Sawden Gender: Female Where born: Filey, Yorkshire, England Civil parish: Filey Ecclesiastical parish: Filey Town: Filey County/Island: Yorkshire Country: England Registration district: Scarborough Sub-registration district: Filey ED, institution, or vessel: 2 Neighbors: View others on page Piece: 3962 Folio: 44 Page Number: 30 Household Members: Name Age Abel Sawden 67 Annie Sawden 26
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20 Oct 2011 20:30 |
Margee, I was getting confused over names, which is why I wanted Colin's Father's name if possible.
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20 Oct 2011 20:52 |
Is this your father? Births Dec 1891 SAWDEN Wilfred Ernest Wakefield 9c 70
?? 1901 England Census Annie Sawden Age: 34 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1867 Relation: Wife Spouse's Name: Charles Sawden Gender: Female Where born: Richmond, Yorkshire, England Civil parish: Horbury Ecclesiastical parish: Horbury St Peter Town: Horbury County/Island: Yorkshire Country: England Registration district: Wakefield Sub-registration district: Horbury ED, institution, or vessel: 4 Household schedule number: 150 Folio: 77 Page Number: 23
Charles Sawden 47 Annie Sawden 34 Wilfred Sawden 9 Harold Sawden 7
Source Citation: Class: RG13; Piece: 4287; Folio: 77; Page: 23.
1911 SAWDEN, Charles Henry Head Married M 58 1853 Bricklayer Builder Filey Yorkshire SAWDEN, Annie Wife Married 20 years 2children born/living F 44 1867 Richmond Yorkshire SAWDEN, Harold Illingworth Son M 17 1894 Drayman Saltaire Yorkshire RG number: RG14 Piece: 27400 Reference: RG14PN27400 RG78PN1567 RD504 SD4 ED24 SN284 Registration District: Wakefield Sub District: Wakefield Enumeration District: 24 Parish: Wakefield Address: 12 Blacksmith Fold Alverthorpe Wakefeld County: Yorkshire (West riding)
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20 Oct 2011 21:02 |
Charles appears to be the son of Abel: 1881 England Census Charles Sawden Age: 25 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1856 Relation: Son Father's Name: Abel Sawden Mother's Name: Anne Sawden Gender: Male Where born: Filey, Yorkshire, England Civil parish: Filey County/Island: Yorkshire Country: England Street Address: West St Occupation: Bricklayer Registration district: Scarborough Sub-registration district: Filey ED, institution, or vessel: 2 Piece: 4801 Folio: 41 Page Number: 22
Abel Sawden 59 Anne Sawden 51 Charles Sawden 25 Annie Dinah Sawden 16 Harry Edward Sawden 10
Source Citation: Class: RG11; Piece: 4801; Folio: 41; Page: 22; GSU roll: 1342159.
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20 Oct 2011 21:06 |
1871 England Census John King Age: 37 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1834 Relation: Head Spouse's Name: Alice King Gender: Male Where born: Richmond, Yorkshire, England Civil parish: St Mary Town: Richmond County/Island: Yorkshire Country: England Registration district: Richmond Sub-registration district: Richmond ED, institution, or vessel: 4 Household schedule number: 161 Piece: 4874 Folio: 78 Page Number: 28
John King 37 whitesmith All born Richmond Alice King 37 John King 14 Mary King 11 Jane King 7 Ann King 5 Alice King 3 Harry King 1
Source Citation: Class: RG10; Piece: 4874; Folio: 78; Page: 28; GSU roll: 849471.
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patchem
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20 Oct 2011 21:21 |
Pm received: Annie King, of 5 Belle View Parade, Scarborough, married Abel Sawden on 13 Sep 1890. One of the witnesses was Alice King but Annie's mother and sister were both called Alice so I don't know which one it was. Abel was about 70 when they married and Annie about 24. It appears that Annie soon afterwards ran off with Abel's son Charles and had two children with him, one of whom was my father. It is a strange story and that is why I would like to get to know more about them all. My father never spoke about his parents and it is all a bit of a mystery.
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20 Oct 2011 21:30 |
So this is Annie (with Charles) in 1891: 1891 England Census Annie Sawdon Age: 24 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1867 Relation: Boarder Gender: Female Where born: Richmond, Yorkshire, England Civil parish: Scarborough Ecclesiastical parish: All Saints Town: Scarborough County/Island: Yorkshire Country: England Registration district: Scarborough Sub-registration district: Scarborough ED, institution, or vessel: 6 Piece: 3964 Folio: 122 Page Number: 36
Mary A Buttle 56 Charles Buttle 25 Frederick Buttle 16 Annie Sawdon 24 married Charles Sawdon 35 single
Source Citation: Class: RG12; Piece: 3964; Folio 122; Page 36; GSU roll: 6099074.
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20 Oct 2011 21:38 |
So the Annie that I found in 1891 was Abel's daughter Annie not his wife Annie, who incidentally was younger than his daughter. Didn't take long for his wife to run off with his son then? Weren't they just married in 1890?
What an interesting family, Colin!
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Colin
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20 Oct 2011 21:45 |
Goodness! Thankyou all so much. I am very new to this forum so I am very pleased to get your advice. Thankyou Pat. Wilfred was my father. His birth certificate shows his father to be Charles Sawden and his mother Annie Sawden nee King. I struggled for a long time, without success, to find their marriage and have come to the conclusion that they never married. Would there be a need? Annie was already Mrs Sawden and, perhaps signicantly, Charles doesn't feature at all in Abel's Will and Abel was quite a wealthy man. To add to the confusion Abel's youngest child was also an Annie and much the same age as Annie King. I was hoping that somewhere someone might be able to fill in the period since 1911 and maybe even have a picture.
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Colin
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20 Oct 2011 21:56 |
Hello Margee, Believe it or not Abel's first wife, the mother of his daughter Annie, was herself an Annie. It has been very confusing and, as you can see, apparently a bit naughty!!
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patchem
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20 Oct 2011 23:00 |
You need to use the search boxes above to see if anyone else has members of your family in their trees. And then you can contact them for more information.
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Colin
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21 Oct 2011 08:09 |
Thankyou Patchem, I clearly have a lot to learn in how to use this site better and I have only just come across 'nudge' and 'stickies' on this forum but I am grateful for so much help.
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