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chrissiex
I have already put earlier on.

( we can always delete this thread when Mary is found ) <<<<

BUT still no answer where Patrick was born.
Hope the Aunt is buying the right one.

Perhaps find out where & that is where Mary & their son now are ?


ZOE

The first birth does show at Ancestry on a search by surname / mother's surname ... the second I don't see but hopefully she did find it :-)

but please let's not be posting any more info here about the births, these are living people and there really is too much here already

She did not. But I believe she's done all of her research on Ancestry.com. She said she was sending off for John and Patrick, so I didn't think to ask where she found them. I will get an update from her.

Did your aunt say where she is getting the Patrick T. Gannon birth certificate from ?
I can not find a birth in England/Wales.


:-)

My aunt has sent off for birth certificates for Patrick T. Gannon and John P. Gannon and I will post info when we get them.

So very grateful for the interest.

I will have to ask my aunt, sorry, I don't readily know where Patrick is from. I will get back on that.

Dulcie's husband, John O'Connor, registered her death in 1973.

My aunt was sending for a birth certificate on Patrick, I hope to have it soon.

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Where is he from ........... Ireland ?

If the person who ( assuming only a death ) <<<<<<<<<<
registered Mary's death knew her EXACT date of birth, there is from 1969 to 2005
( from 1969 certificates showed DOB ) NO death for a Mary Ann ( any surname ) in England/Wales.

I can not find Patrick Gannon born in England/Wales so I was wondering if they moved back to where he was born ?

Also any idea who, sadly, registered Dulcie's death ?

Name Mary A Smart
Year of Registration 1933
Quarter of Registration Jul-Aug-Sep
Registration District Wandsworth
Registration County London
Mother's maiden name Smart
Volume Number 1D
Volume Page 650


YOU ARE CORRECT ......that is part solved at least ;-)

This is great, so many ideas!

I didn't tie my two posts together because of the situation with my grandfather, I don't know for sure that Mary Ann would know she had a half brother (my grandfather). I'd be surprised if she did not, but I want to be as sensitive as possible.

All indications are that my gr-grandmother, Mary Ann's and my grandfather's mother, was hiding the fact he was her son, at least when she married Mary Ann's father. My grandfather is 21 years older than Mary Ann. And then my grandfather died in 1942, and as awful as that must have been for my gr-grandmother, I am sure it made it easier to hide his real identity because he was no longer around. (On the other hand, her grief may have driven her to reveal his identity because she felt bad, I don't know.)

I have Mary Ann's birth certificate, she was born 16 June 1933. I don't know for sure why her birth was registered twice, but she was also illegitimate, born just shortly before my gr-grandmother married her father (apparently my gr-granmother was not big on convention!). Could it be they re-registered to make her birth legitimate? (I am not clear on the Illegitimacy Act of 1926[?] but I understand that an illegitimate birth could be made legitimate if the parents married. Maybe they thought they had to register the birth again.)

I just know Mary Ann married Patrick T. Gannon in 1951 and they had a child (John) in 1952. My aunt was sending for a birth certificate on Patrick, I hope to have it soon.

I have all of Mary Ann's birth and marriage information,
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Can you post Patrick's age, occupation & dad's occupation
( we can always delete this thread when Mary is found )

Looked for a possible remarriage as she was only 17 when married in 1951.
But where is Patrick T Gannon as well ?
( perhaps when we have his age & dad's name we can trace him )

Any idea why Mary's birth is registered twice ...........wonder if both parent's went in separately ? same period but different index numbers.
OR perhaps the grandparents went in as well !!




:-)

Passenger lists leaving UK 1890-1960
GANNON Mary 1934 F 1959 Southampton Canada Halifax

I've posted in the other thread but actually this is a reasonably separate question it's just that it would have been wise to link to that one so people had all background info

there are Gannon-O'Connor births in Lambeth in 1955 and 1962 for which there is no matching marriage ... I would consider those as well

I don't see marriages or deaths for either of those children's names

Thanks Lynski......I'll bow out

Related thread -

http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards.page/board/ancestors/thread/1278520

Have sent a PM with possible further child...............check your messages

The listings on 192 are generally the Electoral Rolls - it should state that on the results you get.

Do you know when Patrick was born? And what the letter 'T' represented as his second forename?

Do you know Mary Ann's exact date of birth?

I did actually try to find a marriage for John P, but couldn't pinpoint one................

Oh, and I haven't looked in phone books for the UK. I wasn't aware they were available online. But I would assume those would be the listings showing up on 192.com? I am not really that familiar with 192.com.

Thanks! Clem

Yes, I've searched family trees, and I've contacted every single person who has any connection to my family - although I haven't found anyone that lists "my" Mary Gannon. No one has replied back to me.

What makes me imagine that Mary O'Connor Gannon might know who my grandfather's father is, is because, unlike my grandfather, she was part of her mother's life until her mother died in 1973. There is a possibility that in her later years my gr-grandmother may have told her daughter about her brother, or she may have left some clues among her possessions when she died. And there's plenty of information linking her mother and my grandfather, if anyone in Mary Ann's family has done any family research, then they surely have seen that Mary Ann's mother had a son, as well.

She may not know she had a half brother, and I'm cognizant and sensitive to that. If anyone sees my posts here, I think they probably are very much aware Mary Ann had a brother, so I don't think it would be a shock to her. If I were to just find her, I'd feel her out, she'd be 78 years old, I certainly would not want to drop a bombshell on her.

I don't know that she knows anything, but she's an obvious candidate to know more than we do. And while I don't want to blurt out a century old secret - this is my heritage, too. This is our best hope, that we can find Mary Ann Gannon and that she might know something.

And even if she doesn't know who my grandfather's father is, she would at least have information on my gr-grandmother, since it is, of course, her mother. And she'd probably have photos. I've never seen a photo of my gr-grandmother. She was an actress on the British stage, and from what I understand she was very beautiful and stately. I'd like to know what she looked like.

I am in the US and John P. Gannon was born in, and I assume still lives in, the UK. I've done Internet and Facebook searches. I haven't tried Friends reunited, I've seen it I've seen the icon at the top of the page and never thought of it. I've looked up John P. Gannon, although I've no idea where he lives, on 192.com and there are 26 listings. I'm not ruling it out, but I am trying to find more info or trying to make a connection here before I start making 26 calls! But it may come to that.

If the birth was kept secret......................what makes you imagine that Mary would know who his father was?

I hope you've looked in phone books for John?

Or on Friendsreunited..............or Facebook........or www.192.com

You haven't said whether you have looked in search trees, as I advised earlier......that should be the first place to try