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I thought about it a while before this exchange, Rose - I see Goldberry as a bit fecund-and-mother-earth stuff. And Tom - yes David Tennant just came to me - I think he'd be ok.

I wouldn't have caste Ian Holme as Bilbo until I saw him.

Now, where would you put Johnny Depp? can you see him as Wormtongue? I can


Lol Sue

we women of a certain age had boyfriends who took us to LOTR, played guitar and listened to Cohen. Magic times.

Have bought album by Robert Plant and Alison Krauss - particulary Polly Come Home - may I recommend it to you? So much worth a listen.

Love Sue

lol Sue...I would watch David tennant in anything! but actually yes I think he could do it...has such an expressive face and 'soul' in his eyes...

Not Catherine Zeta Jones...too big and buxom lol...see Goldberry as a more ethereal character physically...will think about that one!

xx

Now there's a challenge Rose - who to play Tom?

Goldberry wouldn't be too difficult to caste, only please don't give me whatever-her-name- is that was in Pirates. Acting without expression. An art form in itself!

Perhaps Catherine Zeta Jones? Wholesome and pretty. What do you think?

but Tom - now that's much more difficult. Needs to look young-but-old, wise but ingenue. What about the current Dr Who? Ok, not as I would have visualised Tom, but perhaps...... He was pretty good as Casanova.


Lol Sue

Rose.......if you do have another go at the Silmarillon........skip chapter three....it's just a tangle of alternative names.....gave me a headache........lol
Amanda

'Gimli' lives in the Isle of Man lol I used to live there,

Love 'Suzanne'..the boyfriend who took me to see the cartoon LOTR, used to sing it and play guitar lol

xx

Absolutely, Amanda.

My thoughts exactly.

Lol Sue

I hadn't ever imagined Gimli being a Scot
but it does "fit".........lol

Still haven't managed to listen to your Leonard Sue but I haven't forgotton.
Lyrics are todays poems....I think.
Amanda

Sorry folks, I know it isn't classic poetry, but to me it is. from Leonard Cohen

Suzanne takes you down
to her place near the river
You can hear the boats go by
You can spend the night beside her
And you know that she's half crazy
But that's why you want to be there


And she feeds you tea and oranges
That come all the way from China
And just when you mean to tell her
That you have no love to give her
Then she gets you on her wavelength
And she lets the river answer
That you've always been her lover

And you want to travel with her
And you want to travel blind
And you know that she will trust you
For you've touched her perfect body with your mind.

And Jesus was a sailor
When he walked upon the water
And he spent a long time watching
From his lonely wooden tower
And when he knew for certain
Only drowning men could see him
He said "All men will be sailors then
Until the sea shall free them"
But he himself was broken
Long before the sky would open
Forsaken, almost human
He sank beneath your wisdom like a stone

And you want to travel with him
And you want to travel blind
And you think maybe you'll trust him
For he's touched your perfect body with his mind.

Now Suzanne takes your hand
And she leads you to the river
She is wearing rags and feathers
From Salvation Army counters
And the sun pours down like honey
On our lady of the harbour
And she shows you where to look
Among the garbage and the flowers

There are heroes in the seaweed
There are children in the morning
They are leaning out for love
And they will lean that way forever
While Suzanne holds the mirror


I know you've heard this before, Amanda, but hopefully it bears repetition.

S
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I really enjoyed the "proper"LOTR film.I think they did as good a job as possiable
but I too missed Bombadil and couldn't stop the odd muttering of "thats not how it goes in the book" but hopefully hundreds of folk went out and actually read it as well as watch.

Amanda...boyfriend took me to see the cartoon version too lol

Sue...cried at the end too...of the book always..and at the film lol

would love to have Bilbo's house from the film .....

not sure who could have played Tom and Goldberry ? especially Tom...

So looking forward to watching it all....
and as you said stunning scenery

ooh yes and Legolas sliding down the Mumakil's trunk...brilliant lol

xx

And another one

Sunset and evening star,
And one clear call for me!
And may there be no moaning of the bar,
When I put out to sea,

But such a tide as moving seems asleep,
Too full for sound and foam,
When that which drew from out the boundless deep
Turns again home.

Twilight and evening bell,
And after that the dark!
And may there be no sadness of farewell,
When I embark;

For tho’ from out our bourne of Time and Place
The flood may bear me far,
I hope to see my Pilot face to face
When I have crossed the bar.

blimey amanda, I think I have the same LP!

What a co-incidence!

Lol sue

think you'll enjoy the director's cut ref Theoden and Denethor, Rose. You're right - the final film didn't do them justice.

But what about the Grey Havens - how could anyone not cry?

I wish I had the director's cutsof film 1 and 11 - maybe Tom Bombadil and Goldberry will feature there? Let me know when you watch them. Brilliant writing - a pool of light in a a dark passage, but Tolkein does that so very well - Just like the bit after the Watchers on Weathertop when Frodo et al end up with the elves. Gives the reader a chance to catch his or her breath.

Lovely to speak to folks who love the same stuff as I do.

Lol sue

How beautiful they are,
The lordly ones
Who dwell in the hills,
In the hollow hills.

They have faces like flowers,
And their breath is wind
That stirs amid grasses
Filled with white clover.

Their limbs are more white
Than shafts of moonshire:
They are more fleet
Than the March wind.

They laugh and are glad
And are terrible;
When their lances shake
Every green reed quivers.

How beautiful they are,
How beautiful,
The lordly ones
In the hollow hills.



I didn't know this one but managed to find it, it is lovely.

I saw the first LOTR film.....nearly left the cinema in disgust......boyfriend of that era bought me the LP.....I also have an LP in the loft of Tolkien reciteing some of his poems.
Amanda

I got lost trying to google various poems.
My dear Mum used to "book bash" me when ever she had the chance and now I find myself remiss in not being able to remember who wrote what.......lol
"Follow The Gleam" by Tennison is a great favorite and "How Beautiful They Are The Lordly Ones"...but I don't remember who wrote that.
Amanda

So glad I lived long enough for CGI to be developed enough to make the film! (saw the cartoon version too).

Gollum was brilliant, missed Tom Bombadil and Goldberry...pity because that part of the book is so 'visual'...

Thought that Theoden and Denethor were ok but characters not quite as in book because of the time limitations...

Orcs were great, Ents I agree with what you say...difficult to do justice to...

Paths of the dead ,cleverly done..

lol 'Sam' was so good...made me cry...
have I missed anything? lol

Rosexx

Do Not Go Gentle Into That Good Night


Do not go gentle into that good night,
Old age should burn and rave at close of day;
Rage, rage against the dying of the light.

Though wise men at their end know dark is right,
Because their words had forked no lightning they
Do not go gentle into that good night.

Good men, the last wave by, crying how bright
Their frail deeds might have danced in a green bay,
Rage, rage against the dying of the light.

Wild men who caught and sang the sun in flight,
And learn, too late, they grieved it on its way,
Do not go gentle into that good night.

Grave men, near death, who see with blinding sight
Blind eyes could blaze like meteors and be gay,
Rage, rage against the dying of the light.

And you, my father, there on that sad height,
Curse, bless, me now with your fierce tears, I pray.
Do not go gentle into that good night.
Rage, rage against the dying of the light.

Dylan Thomas


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