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Perhaps it should be apple sauce under the circumstance Ann Glos

Bendy That is not unbelievable when you consider how many Suns and Planets there are in the Cosmos. There is room for everything in such a vast number of possibilities.

How could such a diverse and beautiful world be the result of a big explosion? You certainly need faith to believe that!

I was basing things on Kate's post. However in the last few minutes I've been googling and found at least 10 sites which point out the same contradiction, plus lots more which I won't go into. Tactful tablets ? no. I'm just aware that Christmas is coming and I want to try and get SOME presents, need to be nice if Santa's looking lol

Having never read it, I can't comment !! Not like me to be so damn diplomatic is it ?!?!

Umm well the way I read them they do. One says animals then man, the other says man then animals. Maybe you could say thats just semantics and the order doesn't matter though. As said before - you're entitled to your views, and I know I won't change your mind - as you won't change mine (my opinion is that Andy was spot on regarding why people believe in the bible). We all just need to accept that we believe different things - no hostility required from either side. For anyone interested in the provable facts though I'd thoroughly recommend reading Bill Brysons A short History of Nearly Everything. Excellent reading.

I believe the Old Testament to be a History of the Jewish people. As with all histories the early days are shrouded in Fable. The New Testament covers the life of someone who I believe existed, and who expounded his ideas of a decent way to live in harmony with each other. If Emperor Constantine had not adopted Christianity we very likely would not have it as a modern Religion. Buddhists follow the teachings of Buddha, Moslems Mohammed. As I see it the problem lies with those who close their minds to any criticism. Some years ago I went to see a Bible Exhibition put on by the Christdelphians who insisted that the Bible was the 100% accurate Word of God complete and unchangeable. What spoilt it was that when I queried why one of their teachings seemed to be in opposition with something the Bible said they told me that a comma should have been there! Have any of us seen the original documents from which today's Bible was translated? No, I thought not. We are just taking the word of people who had their own agenda when they "Translated" it into English. I do believe there is a power which we do not understand and which we call God. However, I do not visualise God like many people do as Santa Claus in a white frock.

No. But Bendy did ask me to read the verses and not to make an arse out of myself. So I have read the verses again. As everyone can read them, if I have misinterpreted them and they do in fact say the same thing then I can accept I have made a mistake. Personally, I believe that no-one can ever be 100% of anything. A hundred and fifty years ago scientists believed tha atom was the smallest particle. Now we know it's not. Who knows what and where we will be in another hundred years? To me evolution makes more sense and it sits better with the genetics I have learnt, if only because of the time needed for a mutation to become so pronounced in a population as to create a distinct species. That doesn't mean to say that as our understanding of genetics increases, we won't be able to come up with another theory of how we came to be.

Speaking of Atlantis, did you see the reports the other day that they had discovered what looks like man made structures deep under the sea between Cyprus and Syria I think, that they believe could be Atlantis ? Wouldn't that be interesting !

Wendy, with all due respect (my phrase for the night), Kate's just asking a question - on this occasion it does weem yto be you that has the problem (sorry !!). She makes a valied point. Earlier in the thread, someone said they believed in what was written in the bible. Kate is just asking which bits, as there's contradictions - you can't believe in both.

AEsops fables should have been the bible, its just that he didnt have such a good publisher.

I'm a Christian too. I read the Bible - it makes sense to me! (Well a lot of it!)

Kate I also firmly believe in the Bible but it is man written and contains many contradictions - are you claiming that scientific theories which you are defending don't have any contradictions or discrepancies?

It does Andy doesn't it? Ann

With all due respect to those that believe in a higher power (as is your perogative), I ally myself with science - in things that have been proven, rather than in something unprovable. I ask again. How do dinosaurs fit into the picture, if the earth is only 9000 or so years old ?

I have read them. In fact, everyone can read them: Gen.1:25-27 And God made the beast of the earth after his kind and cattle after their kind, and every thing that creepeth upon the earth after his kind and God saw that it was good. And God said, Let us make man in our image.... So God created man in his own image. Gen.2:18-19 And the LORD God said It is not good that the man should be alone ... And out of the ground the LORD God formed every beast of the field, and every fowl of the air and brought them unto Adam to see what he would call them...

"Have faith and don't need proof" Says it all!

Well said Wendy. doesn't it come back to the fact that those of us who believe in the bible have faith and don't need proof while the scientists amongst us do need proof of everything?? I wasn't going to join this debate as i was always told to steer clear of politics and religion. But now i have. Coming down firmly on the side of the Bible. Ann Glos

Wendy, that's a bit smug isn't it? Pulling the shutters down?

I'm not at all surprised at your declining to answer. Funnily enough I have asked this to Creationists before and not had a response. I'm not bothered about anyone's relationship - or lack thereof - with any Deity or Deities either, but that wasn't what my question was about. Incidently, why doesn't my question hold water?