General Chat

'There are more things on Earth than are dreamt of in your philosophy...' Who said that? Jeffrey Archer? Interesting to see yet more bickering about something that we will all find the answers to, sooner or later - the later the better, of course! Surprised to see Len donating so little - he normally helps to put everyone in their places by his truly in-depth research. However, I do agree with his little epithet - there is too much information to the contrary to deny that there is something to look forward to after our corporeal death. Oddly enough, I tend to think that the idea of reincarnation is not as daft as many make it to be. It would be interesting to discover what the 'rules' of reincarnation are - do we have to make amends for past misdemeanours, or is it random? My beliefs are along the lines of Jayvee's, though I do not hold with the 'ultimate' resurrection - will those who died of old age be resurrected in their frail, withered bodies? Will the presently-disabled return in their broken bodies? Like Wendy (and Len), I will not ridicule a person for their beliefs, but do ask that they present a cogent argument to support them - merely to state that 'it's all rubbish!' does nothing to expand anyone's mind. Rob

I believe that the person goes on in the spirit world. I am going to see a medium in novenber he is qiute a famous one too, cant wait!!!!!!

I believe I was made by God, that I am saved from eternal damnation through the sacrifice of Jesus Christ and that, when I die, my soul will live on with Him forever.

As an example ... When my eldest daughter was just starting to talk, her childminder took her to an unfamiliar town. The childminder was keeping up the flow of chatter and asked my daughter in the buggy where they should go for Peppermint teabags. My daughter pointed with great conviction to an old building across and up the highstreet, and became increasingly agitated wanting to go that way. The childminder humoured the toddler and when they got there found out it used to be a grocery store, old fashioned wooden counters and all. There were many other occasions when my childminder would remark 'She's been before, that one'. But then, this is also the same toddler that would complain about about the nice old man and lady who would come and watch and smile at her in her cot, then walk past me and down the landing when I came into the room. I never saw a thing. My youngest is now at the same age. She has an invisible monkey in her room. That seems pretty normal in comparison.

I will just reiterate what I said in my earlier post: Apart from the obvious solid matter we are made of, we are also ENERGY. Scientific fact, Energy does not die, it changes!!!!!! Vivienne

Pat I was thinking yesterday that I should find out about this medicine wheel business. I haven't investigated that yet.

I want to believe in everyone elses opinion....but I know that Pat in her circles is right...We're born..we die..we leave memories and lessons learnt. We pass these lessons learnt on to our siblings..thats it!, dust to dust......but WHY? Theres gotta be more!

louise Have you ever read anything about the beliefs of the Native North Americans and the Aborgines? Very similiar in their way but totally primitive too as both like we used to believe in all the spirit world and so forth. Worth reading still whether like me you were not convinced and never will be or are just interested in such things :-) Pat x

Do people not think that the reason people believe in Reincarnation and such like is because they cannot bear to think we arrive, we live whatever we are able in time to live and then we die, that's it, nothing more nothing less no lasting trace. Unless you leave offspring which means memories & such like or you leave something like in the Arts or maybe an invention whatever makes the famous famous. To the ordinary working class people ie the majority of the people of this World they will leave NOTHING but their offspring and the memories and treasured pocessions. There is nothing to make them stand out, and that is the basis for such beliefs, some people want to stand out from the crowd they want to think they are special or different but we are not. We are only special and different in the hearts of people we really touch. People look for more and try to find a meaning as they feel its better than leaving nothing of themselves for others to remember and to live and die with not too much in the great scheme of things. Just my thoughts it's late better go before I keep on talking to myself lol. Pat x

Hi guys, The estimated figure for 1750 - 795,000,000; 1850 - 1,265,000,000; 1950 - 2,515,000,000. Apparently, and I didn't realise this, the whole subject (of population, not of re-incarnation) is fraught with political, and religious, undertones. So, I think I'll leave it there.

Hi Len & Davo - I got these figures from www(.)census(.)gov: The estimated population for 26 September 2005 is 6,469,002,888. The UN (1993) estimated in the year 1 there were between 300,000,000 and 400,000,000 people in the world. John D Durand suggests that the population stood at 345,000,000 at the end of the 1st Millenium (this is the highest estimate for the period. More to follow shortly...

You're right Davo. I should have said 6000 million - but the arithmetic is still interesting. How many died in the last 100 years do you think? len

Len There are 1bn or more in china, about 4 billion in the world. I think India has 600 million. David

Ruby There are about 600 million people in the world. Homo sapiens has been around for 40 thousand years. If a generation dies every 25 years how many dead people is that? len

Why complicate the subject -we come from somewhere and so must go somewhere,like a plant that grows from a seed.The plant lives,then dies but its substance returns back into matter. See it all as a process of recycling.Our vanity as the human species makes us elaborate a process that existed always.We are organic matter,carbon,hydrogen and oxygen,and most matter is a combination of these elements,in different patterns a ratios. The human spirit is a notion created by ourselves,and is theorised by ourselves with no knowing how this compares to similar possibilities for other creatures.What seem to be the most complex issues and ideas or problems probably have the simplest of answers and explanations. Think of the elephant that stays at the side of its stillborn young for days, the dog that stays by the side of its deceased master,and the horse that tries its best to avoid stepping on a jockey that has fallen in front of it.

I believe in reincarnation and what Vivienne said pretty much summed up what I believe, I think. I don't believe that there is any one path - I believe that some people are reincarnated and that others go on to somewhere else (wether it be Heaven or whatever) and others again get trapped, hence ghosts. Ive always had this feeling that I have lived before and have had a fascination with history ever since I was very young. I think we are on a journey and that this life is just one part of it - another lesson to be learned? Kaye x

I was once skeptical but have found so much circumstantial evidence that I am convinced. Len

The electronice voice phenomena is a fascinating subject as well.

That's fascianting how images and and sounds can be 'recorded' in walls and things. Residual energy is the fancy word for it. I predict this century to be a time of great discovery in the field of the supernatural.

How about the walls that have been wired for sound, and recorded sounds and music from the past?