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Have just been to the library and borrowed 'Oxford Dictionary of English Surnames' - anyone who wishes to peak may do so. Please feel free to ask. My surname isn't in there - but I won''t take it back yet awhile. Apologies to the Welsh, Scots and Irish. Stop Press re my surname - Oh Yes it is!

Ooo! Barrett and Savage, can you look please?

Hiya, would you mind looking for Dale and Cootes? Thanks very much xxxx

Hi PF, I've seen two surname dictionaries in our local library, one the Oxford and another, which I believe may have been Debrett's, but I can't remember, as it was some years ago. Both books were very old publications, so I'd be interested in seeing what your copy says for these two surnames - Simey Pescod. Thank you. CB >*|*<

Hello thank you will you look at Oakley , Pearsall and Leadbeater Regards Pam

Barratt, Barratt, Brret, Barritt, Barrott Matthew Baret c1150-5 obert Barate 1165 p(nt) Jordan barat 1185 Templars (herts); Seman Barette 1207 P(Ha) William Barrete(Barat) 1327 SR (Ess). This is a dificult name . There seems to be evidence for a derivation from OG Beroald, OFr Beraud, as has been suggested. ON Baror is found in Yorks and Lincs in DB as Bared, Bares, but there is no proof of its continued use. The commonest form is Barat and this must be fromOFr barat, ME bar(r)at, bar(r)et(te), which accounts for all the forms. The original sense in RRomantic seems to have been 'traffic, commerce, dealings and in ME 'trouble, distress' (c1230); deception, fraud (1292) contention, strife (c1300) from any of which a nickname could arise. Occasionally we may have OFr barrette'a cap' bonnet'.as an occupation name,'a maker of bonnets'. You picked a long one for first go - other coming up shortly. Sorry do not know what the abbreviations are - someone will know tho'

hehe was going to ask aboutthe abbreviations! Anyone know?

Savage Savage, Savaage, Savege , Savidge, Sauvage, Salvage, Salvidge: Edric Saluage 1066 DB (He); Eridicus cognomento Silvaticus 1067 OEByn; John Salvage 1166 P (Nf); William le Salvage 1194 Cur (sa); Robert le Sauuage 1198 FF (Sr); Ralph le Savage 1268 FFSf. OFr salkvage, sauvage, Lat silvaticus, in poular latin salvaticus; 'savage, wilkd' 9a 1300 NED) Wish I were a classical scholar. Don't worry all you out there I shall persevere.

The abbreviations look like other sources of info the writer/ editor is referring to. Is there a list at the beginning of the book, before the listings start? please could you look up Caiger, Bramwell or Pickard, when you get a chance? xx Jen

PF, The world 'silva' in Latin means 'woods', so 'Silvatacus' as a name would mean someone who was born or lived in, or near, woods. >*|*<

Dale Dale, Dales, Daile: Ralph de la Dale 1275 RH (Sf); William en le Dale 1318 ShefA (Y); John atte Dale 1327 SRSx; Nicholas Daile 1481 FrY. 'Dweller in the dalke', OE dael.

Going for lunch now but never fear will work my way down through the list. I am learning and it stops me wasting my time. Be back soon.

thanks for the offer could you please look up (if thats ok) Headington Bagley Maughan thanks once again Julia

Back again - only pizza and a cup of tea for lunch. Anybody else eat their wives left over pizza crusts - I do!!!!! Next surname coming up Cootes

COOTES Coot, Coote, Cootes, Coots: Reginald , John Cote 1201 P (L), 1219 AssY; William Le Coot 1327 SRC ME cote,coote a coot (c1300 MED), originally the name of various swimming or diving birds, especially the Guillemot, later restricted to the Bald Coot, whose appearance and traditional stupidity (' as bald (or as stupid) as a coot') would readily give rise to a nickname. 'The mad coote, With a balde face to toot' (a 1529 Skelton) I like tjis one.

Tapson and Tappern next

Re abbreviations - These are from the list in the Oxford English Dictionary - ODa = Old Danish OE = Old English OF(r) = Old French OFris = Old Frisian OHG = Old High German OIr = Old Irish OLG = Old Low German ON = Old Norse ONF = Old Northern French OPr = Old Provencal OS = Old Saxon OSl = Old Slavonic OSp = Old Spanish OT = Old Teutonic ME = Middle English (1200-1500) MG = Middle German Med.L = Medieval Latin MHG = Middle High German MIt = Middle Italian MLG = Middle Low German MSw = Middle Swedish NF = North Frisian Norw = Norweginan AF = Anglo-French Amer = American Anglo-Ind = Anglo-Indian Arab = Arabic Aram = Aramaic Ass = Assyrian Austra = Australian Boh = Bohemian Braz = Brazilian Bret = Breton Bulg = Bulgarian Burm = Burmese Byz = Byzantine Chin = Chinese Corn = Cornish Copt = Coptic Cym = Cymric (Welsh) Da = Danish F = French Fl = Flemish Frank = Frankish Fr = Frisian G = German Gael = Gaelic Gk = Greek Heb = Hebrew Hind = Hindi Hung = Hungarian Icel = Icelandic Ind = Indian Ir = Irish It = Italian Jap = Japanese Lat = Latin MDu = Middle Dutch Pers = Persian Pg/Port = Portuguese Pol = Polish Russ = Russian Sax = Saxon Scand = Scandinavian Scot = Scottish Teut = Teutonic Turk = Turkish WFlem = West Flemish

Tapson Not down as such but probably a derivative of the following: Tapner: Gregory le Tapiner 1272 MESO (Ha); Henry le Tapenyer 1327 SRSx. OFr tappnner 'maker of chalons and burel'. v. BURREL CHALLENER Tapp, Tappe: John Roger Tappe 1194 P (Do), 1247 AssBeds, 1327 SRWo.OE *Tappa unrecorded, but the first element of Taplow (Bucks), Tapners (Kent) Tappington (Kent) and Tapton (Derby) v. TAPPIN Tapper: Ulfuine Teperesune c 1095 Bury (Sf); John Robert le Tapper 12779 RH (C), 1332 SRLa. OE tappere 'tapper ' (of casks), beer-seller, tavern-keeper. Tapping, Tappin; Ralph Geoffrey Tapping 1220, 1235 Fees (Berks, Nth); Robert Tapping, Tepping1221 AssWa. OE * Tapping 'son of Tappa'. v TAPP Tapster; (i) Elisota Tapster 1379 NottBR; Alicia Tapstere 1384 AssWa OE tappestere, feminine of tappere, a woman who sells ale, hostess. cf TAPPER. (ii) Ralph Thomas le Tapicer 1282 AD II (Mx), 1306 LoCt. AFr tapiiicer 'maker of figured cloth or tapestry' (c1386 NED) As tapiner became tapner. so tapicer probably became tapser and, with intrusive t, tapster. Tapton; Henry de Taoton 1342 PN WRY i 20l; John Tapton 1451 William Tapton 1467 IpmNt. From Tapton (Db), or Tapton Hall in Sheffield (WRY) Thats the end of Ta's. Suggest Tappern is a derivitive of the above as well.

Thank you Camberwell Beauty. Glad you got over your drinking binge.

Simey and Pescod coming up.