General Chat

I dont think that there could be a ruling that applied 'across the board'. Every single embryo that is froxen should be considered on its merits or the practice stopped .Full stop. Consideraton should be given as to the circumstances each and every time, so that the whole situation is on the table and clear for all deciding parties to understand and discuss. Maybe the time will come where eggs and sperm are frozen individually - it does happen now, but he results are not so good- embryo are stored for a reason. At the time, relevant Q's ARE asked as to 'what if X/Y/Z senario should occur.... ', and once the decision is made is should be stuck to. THAT IS WHAT IS UNFAIR! prettty pointless asking the Q's in the first place really! Jess

OH and I were discussing this yesterday evening and for once are in complete agreement. He gave consent when he gave his sperm. The embryos exist and the woman should be able to have them implanted. They may not develop but at least she has had the chance to bear children. I don't believe his rights override hers. Gwynne

Well Patricia I had 3 children and had my tubes tied a few years ago I often wondered what would happen if I wanted more children but I dont think I will be longing for another as much as you were. Glad that worked out for you. I dont know who is right or wrong here but if she wins her appeal then there must be a legalised agreement to say he is not financially responsible for the child But can you imagine doing your tree and finding out you were born 5 years after your parents split up That seems a bit bazaar

What a hard, hard question. I can't help thinking that life was simpler when people just lived with the cards life dealt them instead of having to deal with all these 'rights' and 'decisions'. Science is a wonderful thing but it seems to be creating more heartache than enough. This is horrible for everyone concerned.

Agree to disagree sounds like a fair outcome to me. Thanks for the debate. I don't think my mind would ever have been swayed to be honest but I appreciate your opinions. Nite Nite

Marie, I hope that we can agree to disagree. It is a very sad and unfortunate situation. There are no winners in this case, and I have great sympathy for the woman concerned. Good night Pete

a baby is a gift he gave her that gift when he gave his sperm and consent for it to be used with her egg! would a gentleman ask for a gift back from a lady......? NO therefore lucia is right he is being spiteful!!

Marie i agree with you, i think she should be giving the goahead to have the baby or babies, they are not eggs anymore but embrios and have a chance of life all beit a small chance but a percentage and after all life is life

Pete Further to your reply to Lucia: Even criminals have rights but that doesn't make it morally correct for them to use them.

Lucia, I agreed totally with your opinion until the last word. If you had written right instead of spite I would have concured. Pete

Pete Generally, from a female point of view ,any eggs that yield a potential pregnancy, are already, mentally, a child. I don't like to play the female card but that is just the way it is. He knew when he donated his sperm to the cause that it was her last attempt at motherhood. Withdrawing permission to continue, in my opinion is just cruelty.

I think she should be able to use the embryo. It's a shame she can't become pregnant just because of that man's spite.

but the morals are the same. i was under the influence that you brought children into this world in a loving caring two parent family.there is no longer two loving caring parents before implantation. i feel sorry for the lady i really do,as my aunt is in the same predicament. but i would feel more for the child growing up knowing the father did`nt want it to go ahead. derek

Marie, I cannot understand why you are 'screaming'. I understand the desire to have family. It is not however a situation that every woman achieves, despite advances in medical knowledge. In 2000 when the two individuals were a couple and faced with the unfortunate woman's situation they decided to maintain the option of a future pregnancy by storing some of her eggs. For technical reasons the clinic advised that fertilised eggs rather that ova are frozen and recovered more successfully. Consequently, the two individuals, (then a couple) consented to store fertilised ova, - embryos, so that, and this is the critical point, if THEY decided at some point in the future that THEY wanted a child the embryos (or some of them) would be implanted. Pete

That's it though Patricia isn't it? Babies are a blessing. This baby is wanted in the same way yours is and was. How can anyone deny this lady the right to have the same joy!!!!!!!!!!!!

Having had a Ivf baby i can do nothing but feel sorry for this lady as you cannot understand what it feels like to want a child soo much, i am not in the same position as her but the need was there. I had 3 children to my husband and after a tubel tie 12 years later i wanted another, the determination was so overwhelming, after so much grief in our family and a lot of money spent we had a baby boy who is now 4 years old and is a blessing to us.

the babys are there it would be like not givin then a chance. unfair realy unfair let them breath they are his babies has he no heart.

No really not at all. You go on ahead. I feel strongly about this and I am just grateful I am not the only one screaming!!!!! I am off to bed now but I would be happy to continue with this tomorrow should anyone want to continue. Thanks for an interesting evening to you all. xx

sorry marie feel like im taking over your thread!! xxx things like this just make me mad!!

Well said Linda