General Chat

The thread is generally about prostitution hence the title. Also, the title has lit the thread up like a red light (so to speak) which isn't necessarily a bad thing because people have noticed the thread and joined in with some very interesting and valid points. Thank you to everyone who has joined in and helped to keep this a very balanced and informative debate.

you are welcome 'Errol' hope to debate again very soon.

i agree constance......what do you mean Errol by 'the rough with the smooth'?xxxxxxxxxxxxxx i know you mean well so just wondered...xxxx

Good points made OC - I feel that 'Errols' title to this thread, is mainly misleading though - and wish that he would change it - otherwise a very good debate.

i am really intersted in reading all your adds ........i wish i could convey what i wanted to say as well as you all dox

Isn't it interesting how social mores and stereotypes and judgements get mixed and change over time. You are so right about 'many' as opposed to 'all' OC, and it might help if people remembered that it's not so long ago that in some circles it was considered very bad manners for a man to ask a woman to go out with him and for him to then expect her to pay for anything - based partly on the fact that women generally had only small or even no incomes of their own. Some men considered that they were 'buying' sexual favours at the end of the night, but not all. Women, prostitutes or otherwise, are damned if they do and damned if they don't in many respects.

Errol I feel that 'greedy' would be a bit more careful than 'needy'. I think 'greedy' sets herself up nicely, in nice surroundings and takes intelligent care of herself. I agree, not all these murdered girls were necessarily drug addicts - but at least two of them were. Drug addicts take risks, whether they are prostitutes or shop keepers, and are more likely to die early and violently, either by murder, self neglect, or being run over by a bus.(Not meant flippantly). And when I say 'many men' still have the idea that all women are, at heart, prostitutes, in as much as a man needs to buy their sexual favours - well, many means just that - many. Not all. I do know lots of decent loving men who don't think that at all. And I do know lots of young women who will not allow men to buy them a drink or a meal or whatever, just in case he feels they owe him something at the end of the evening. OC

I'm sorry but I don't agree with the generalisation that 'many men' feel the same way. I also think that it is wrong to say that these poor women had their lives taken away because of an alleged addiction to or reliance on drugs - that is for the judicial system to decide surely. It may well be true that they, like your friend, were greedy. Conversely it may be true that they 'chose' a certain lifestyle through needs and circumstances. We neither know nor have the right to prejudge and it is up to the police force, the CPS, the justice system and a fair jury to make their respective, hopefully correct, decisions.

Oh dear, Bob, yours is a world where ALL women sell their sexual favours. Sadly, many men also feel the same as you do. So much for Women's Lib - the women have become liberated, but most of the men havent. I do feel, in this discussion, that we should be addressing the problem of drugs, not prostitution. These girls were murdered because they took risks, because they were drug addicts - not because they were prostitutes. I have a friend who was once a very high class 'Escort'. She made a cold-blooded decision to charge for her favours, had a few very carefully selected, very rich, clients whom she knew she could 'trust' because they were high-profile public figures mostly. She never stood on a street corner in her life, never got in a car with a stranger, didnt have a pimp, didnt do drugs. It was all a long time ago, but she does not regret a minute of it. She is a million light-years away from these poor girls, but she was a prostitute too. Some are driven by greed, a few by need, and sadly, most street girls are driven by drugs, and it is they who cater for the worst sort of client and run the biggest risks. Legalising Prostitution and having it in licenced premises, is not going to stop street prostitution - the men who get off on beating women up arent going to go to a licenced brothel. Get rid of the drugs, the dealers, the pimps. How? I don't know. OC

Thank you Bob.

ok Errol I agree with you.........poof!!! its gone..... Bob

Bob, I find that slightly out of keeping with the thread. I think the point you are making may merit the creation of a different thread on a different day which people may wish to add to.

Yes Bob ( good evening ) Yes you are right...you are going to get railroaded for that,,, * deep breathe *

i think it would be a good idea to legalise,that way if they are monitored,everyone can be safe.x

Carol you do not need to withdraw at all but thank you for seeng what I was actually trying to say - words can mean many different things to different people - that is both a great thing about and a criticism of the English language. I sincerely hope this debate continues long after the current sensationalist news ends.

I think the girls were always at high risk of physical abuse from punters, but I suspect they were not highly paid for each transaction - usually girls working from the street never are. As a point of information, doing the business is not illegal, but soliciting for business is. Living off immoral earnings is also a crime, whilst paying for sex is not. I regard prostitution as a 'man' problem - no clients, no business. Making it illegal to pay for sex would be an impossible legal minefield - what would count as payment and under what circumstances? I consider the girls' way of life irrelevant - they were first and foremost human beings and no one should have their life snuffed out by another. I am sick and tired of them being referred to as 'prostitutes', as if in some way that makes their deaths less shocking. It doesn't. May they rest in peace and may he/she/they responsible soon be tracked down and dealt with. Jay

I also recommend ( is that 1 M or 2 ) Charlie Daniels...Book now was a great read...

Hayley it's so long since i read it...but i remember not wanting to put it down!

Great thread Errol - people will never agree on the subject but I really think that it is an issue that needs addressing - sadly the debate only arises when there is a tragedy - my thoughts are with the families of those affected by the current shocking events

I wrote a review for this book for my english GCSE... At first when she did her first job and bought her little girl shoes ..and said she never felt any shame I agreed and of course we do anything for our children..but then I was reading and saying out loud sell the house down size take your kids out of private school...