General Chat

i think it would be a good idea to legalise,that way if they are monitored,everyone can be safe.x

Yes Bob ( good evening ) Yes you are right...you are going to get railroaded for that,,, * deep breathe *

Bob, I find that slightly out of keeping with the thread. I think the point you are making may merit the creation of a different thread on a different day which people may wish to add to.

ok Errol I agree with you.........poof!!! its gone..... Bob

Thank you Bob.

Oh dear, Bob, yours is a world where ALL women sell their sexual favours. Sadly, many men also feel the same as you do. So much for Women's Lib - the women have become liberated, but most of the men havent. I do feel, in this discussion, that we should be addressing the problem of drugs, not prostitution. These girls were murdered because they took risks, because they were drug addicts - not because they were prostitutes. I have a friend who was once a very high class 'Escort'. She made a cold-blooded decision to charge for her favours, had a few very carefully selected, very rich, clients whom she knew she could 'trust' because they were high-profile public figures mostly. She never stood on a street corner in her life, never got in a car with a stranger, didnt have a pimp, didnt do drugs. It was all a long time ago, but she does not regret a minute of it. She is a million light-years away from these poor girls, but she was a prostitute too. Some are driven by greed, a few by need, and sadly, most street girls are driven by drugs, and it is they who cater for the worst sort of client and run the biggest risks. Legalising Prostitution and having it in licenced premises, is not going to stop street prostitution - the men who get off on beating women up arent going to go to a licenced brothel. Get rid of the drugs, the dealers, the pimps. How? I don't know. OC

I'm sorry but I don't agree with the generalisation that 'many men' feel the same way. I also think that it is wrong to say that these poor women had their lives taken away because of an alleged addiction to or reliance on drugs - that is for the judicial system to decide surely. It may well be true that they, like your friend, were greedy. Conversely it may be true that they 'chose' a certain lifestyle through needs and circumstances. We neither know nor have the right to prejudge and it is up to the police force, the CPS, the justice system and a fair jury to make their respective, hopefully correct, decisions.

Errol I feel that 'greedy' would be a bit more careful than 'needy'. I think 'greedy' sets herself up nicely, in nice surroundings and takes intelligent care of herself. I agree, not all these murdered girls were necessarily drug addicts - but at least two of them were. Drug addicts take risks, whether they are prostitutes or shop keepers, and are more likely to die early and violently, either by murder, self neglect, or being run over by a bus.(Not meant flippantly). And when I say 'many men' still have the idea that all women are, at heart, prostitutes, in as much as a man needs to buy their sexual favours - well, many means just that - many. Not all. I do know lots of decent loving men who don't think that at all. And I do know lots of young women who will not allow men to buy them a drink or a meal or whatever, just in case he feels they owe him something at the end of the evening. OC

Isn't it interesting how social mores and stereotypes and judgements get mixed and change over time. You are so right about 'many' as opposed to 'all' OC, and it might help if people remembered that it's not so long ago that in some circles it was considered very bad manners for a man to ask a woman to go out with him and for him to then expect her to pay for anything - based partly on the fact that women generally had only small or even no incomes of their own. Some men considered that they were 'buying' sexual favours at the end of the night, but not all. Women, prostitutes or otherwise, are damned if they do and damned if they don't in many respects.

i am really intersted in reading all your adds ........i wish i could convey what i wanted to say as well as you all dox

Good points made OC - I feel that 'Errols' title to this thread, is mainly misleading though - and wish that he would change it - otherwise a very good debate.

i agree constance......what do you mean Errol by 'the rough with the smooth'?xxxxxxxxxxxxxx i know you mean well so just wondered...xxxx

you are welcome 'Errol' hope to debate again very soon.

The thread is generally about prostitution hence the title. Also, the title has lit the thread up like a red light (so to speak) which isn't necessarily a bad thing because people have noticed the thread and joined in with some very interesting and valid points. Thank you to everyone who has joined in and helped to keep this a very balanced and informative debate.

Bob's mum - the title and opening comment are purely attention grabbers. They are intended to open up what I hoped would be and has indeed turned out to be a fantastically balanced thread with some particularly salient points.

Thank you xx point taken and yes its been a great thread...xx love BOBS MUM LOLxxxxxx

I have heard a very interesting case put forward pro prostitution, the argument being that the girls provide a much needed public service. It was suggested that without them, there would probably be higher incidences of rape and child sexual abuse. This case for prostitution was put forward 40 years ago, before the advent of the pill and the so-called sexual revolution. I'm not claiming it is my opinion - I just found it quite an interesting point of view. Jay

Here are some comments taken from sex-work.org ( a worth-while site for those wanting to see prostitution from the other side. It has opened my eyes, and made me more sympathetic!), which might be relevant. 'People tend not to view prostitutes as human beings, as someone’s child, someone’s mother or sister, they seem to be expendable in the justice system as well as in society in general.' 'Clients can be a real danger to street prostitutes, some prostitutes have been raped at the hands of their client and left in a remote area. Clients have robbed prostitutes, committed rape, assaulted prostitutes and have even murdered them. Most of the time a prostitute has reported the incident she has either been ignored, verbally assaulted for her line of work, or arrested for a prostitution related offence.' 'According to StatsCan a person who kills a prostitute has a more than 50% chance of getting away with murder.' I can't believe those attitudes can be or should be those of a just society. And, remember, especially at this time of year, that Jesus Christ helped at least one prostitute! Michael

Thank you Michael - that was a great and balanced thing to say

One of my closest frinds is an EX Prostitute. I got courious and asked why she had put herself in that possition. The main reason she said was money. A standard 'clean' woman can earn up to $1500 Au. an hour. More if you are willing to do more exotic activities. And you can name your own price if you were to BAREBACK. When you think that a good laywer can get between $300 and $800 and hour and a surgen not much more then that, you can understand the attraction.