General Chat

I have a marriage certificate from 1862 from the Derbyshire area, which states in the
"Rank or Profession of Father" F.W.LH.
Anyone have any idea what this means.

Regards
Malcolm.

Does his occupation in any census give any clue.?

Just a suggestion -

Derbyshire had a lot of textile mills.

FW might be Frame Work.
Or Fustian Weaver.

L might be Loom.



Have you transcribed it accurately - with no full stop after the L ?

But Names's suggestion is best - have you found him in censuses?
Can you tell us the bridegroom's name / bride's name/ father's name?

Hi.
The Marriage certificate is on the Family Search / Morman site.

Marriage of Thomas Howitt and Matilda Gilliott
31st Aug 1862.
Thomas's father Richard Howitt
Matildas father Samual Gillott.
Derbyshire.

Looking at other family members who are Frame Work Knitters, may be the F.M the lh could another form of worker.

history.
The knitting frame was invented in 1589 by the Rev William Lee of Calverton. It was at first a simple machine, but was steadily developed through the eighteenth century. The first cotton stockings were made on a frame in Nottingham in 1730 using cotton yarn imported from India.

Thank you all for contributing.

Thanks for the names, Malcolm

The image is viewable on Ancestry, though not on FS. [EDIT: Oh yes, it is ]

The occupation isn't FWLH.
It looks like FWK - both fathers have the same occupation.

Here's Thomas's father Richard in 1861:

Richard Howitt
in the 1861 England Census
Name Richard Howitt
Gender Male
Age 52
Relation Head
Estimated Birth Year 1809
Spouse's Name Mary Howitt
Where born Heanor, Derbyshire, England
Civil parish Heanor
County/Island Derbyshire
Country England
Registration district Basford
Sub-registration district Ilkestone
ED, institution, or vessel 4
Neighbors
Household schedule number 65
Piece 2435
Folio 69
Page number 12
Household Members (Name) Age Relationship
Richard Howitt 52 Head
Mary Howitt 49 Wife
Thomas Howitt 25 Son
Harriett Howitt 18 Daughter
William Howit 16 Son
Richard Howit 14 Son
Mary A Howit 11 Daughter
Annie Howitt 8 Daughter

Richard is a Stocking Framework Knitter.

So FWK is Frame Work Knitter.

Thankyou for your assistance, yes looking closer on the Family search site it is a K and not a Lh.
The FS site has a number of marriage details for Thomas and Matilda. and some have the camera image, which takes you to a copy of the marr cert.


But thank you all for your time in sorting this query.

Regards
Malcolm.

Looks like there might be a relation marrying on the same page of the OPR - the marriage recorded next after Thomas and Matilda is that of a Robert Millward and Matilda Bacon.

However Matilda Bacon's Father is shown as Isaac Gillott

Isaac Gillott
in the Derbyshire, England, Church of England Births and Baptisms, 1813-1916
Name Isaac Gillott
Gender Male
Age 4
Baptism Date 24 May 1825
Birth Date 6 Feb 1821
Baptism Place Heanor, Derbyshire, England
Father Samuel Gillott
Mother Catharine Gillott



Isaac Gillott
in the England, Select Marriages, 1538-1973
Name Isaac Gillott
Gender Male
Marriage Date 21 Dec 1845
Marriage Place Alfreton,Derby,England
Father John Gillott
Spouse Emma Bacon <<<<<<<<<<<
FHL Film Number 1041620


Isaac Gillet
in the 1851 England Census
Name Isaac Gillet
Age 30
Estimated Birth Year abt 1821
Relation Head
Spouse's Name Emma Gillet
Gender Male
Where born Heanor, Derbyshire, England
Civil parish Heanor
County/Island Derbyshire
Country England
Registration district Basford
Sub-registration district Ilkeston
ED, institution, or vessel 1d
Neighbors
Household schedule number 118
Piece 2126
Folio 83
Page number 34
Household Members (Name) Age Relationship
Isaac Gillet 30 Head
Emma Gillet 24 Wife
Matilda Gillet 6 Daughter <<<<<<<<<<<
Henry Gillet 4 Son
Ann Gillet 1 Daughter


??
Births Sep 1844
Bacon Matilda Basford 15 448


This birth doesn't seem to be on GRO site, so don't know mmn.

Samuel and Isaac weren't brothers - nor father and son.


Samuel Gillott
in the Derbyshire, England, Church of England Births and Baptisms, 1813-1916
Name Samuel Gillott
Gender Male
Age 26
Baptism Date 28 Jun 1837
Birth Date 11 Apr 1811
Baptism Place Heanor, Derbyshire, England
Father Thos Gillott
Mother Ann Gillott


Samuel Gilliott
in the 1841 England Census
Name Samuel Gilliott
Age 30
Estimated Birth Year abt 1811
Gender Male
Where born Derbyshire, England
Civil parish Heanor
Hundred Morlestone and Litchurch
County/Island Derbyshire
Country England
Registration district Basford
Sub-registration district Ilkeston
Neighbors
Piece 188
Book 19
Folio 44
Page number 38
Household Members (Name) Age
Samuel Gilliott 30
Lydia Gilliott 25
Jane Gilliott 3
Matilda Gilliott 5 Mo


Samuel Gillott
in the Derbyshire, England, Church of England Marriages and Banns, 1754-1932
Name Samuel Gillott
Gender Male
Marriage Date 1 Mar 1836
Marriage Place Heanor, Derbyshire, England
Spouse Lydia Wright


GILLOTT, MATILDA mmn WRIGHT
GRO Reference: 1841 M Quarter in BASFORD UNION COUNTIES OF NOTTINGHAM DERBY Volume 15 Page 484

Thankyou for the information, I have applied for a couple of marraige and death certificates , as there are a number of Gillotts with similair names and dates of birth / Marriages..

You should have asked on here - possibility there are online records that one of us could access.