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Oh dear, Rollo also apparently doesn't know that George was also one of King George VI given names, he just opted not to use the one that he had used for most of his life.

Presumably because he felt a closer relationship to George than to long-dead Albert.

He didn't pull it out of the air.

names - love it. :-D

I don't think she'd have been the only one either not by a long chalk! :-D

I have no idea what newspaper my mother read as a young woman. But I do know she thought Edward was gorgeous. Her liking of him had nothing to do with politics ;-)

I know, Allan

That's a huge surprise isn't it?

Not only that, but they knew big words as well as 3 letter ones ...... and they could spell and count to more than 10 without using their fingers and toes :-0

Wow, Sylvia!

You had working class rellies who could actually read?:-0



;-) ;-)

and in any case, any child Elizabeth Bowes-Lyon had would not have been old enough to "misbehave" in the 1930s.

Her only children were the present Queen Elizabeth, and her younger sister Margaret.



Yet another correction for Rollo to make ...............

" It is true that Edward was v popular with a good chunk of the British population and hated by the other half - a bit like Boris no middle ground. Very roughly the working class were agin and the readers of the Telegraph and Mail pro. The division, in England, was very visible with Oswald Moseley's copy of Mussolini's Black Shirts. To this day the Battle of Cable Street is remembered in the East End."

Edward was revered by the British soldiers in the trenches, who were mainly working class.

I would point out that the men I knew in the late forties and early fifties who still talked with great reverence about Edward ............ including my grandfather who fought in WW1 although not in France, and my father who was in restricted secret employment during WW2 ............. were very proud to call themselves "of the working class".

Some of them even read the Telegraph!

As Rollo can’t go wrong he has not bothered to correct his error.

Yes Elizabeth the Queen Mother only had the two girls... :-D

English sovereigns choose the name by which they will reign. It may or may not be their given Christian name. George VI first name was Albert but he chose to reign as George.

Think you mean husband Rollo.

I’m sure I’ll be corrected, but didn’t Elizabeth only have daughters. Was Albert a secret child?

Edward would have been removed no matter what, Elizabeth Bowes-Lyon was a very opionated person but of little actual influience. Considering the behaviour of her son Albert (GVI) in the 1930s she was on pretty thin ice. Her family pile at Glamis was needing more than a lick of paint in 1938 bit fear not it was soon fixed up. It is true that Edward was v popular with a good chunk of the British population and hated by the other half - a bit like Boris no middle ground. Very roughly the working class were agin and the readers of the Telegraph and Mail pro. The division, in England, was very visible with Oswald Moseley's copy of Mussolini's Black Shirts. To this day the Battle of Cable Street is remembered in the East End.

By 1936 the ruling class were themselves bitterly divided between an accomodation with Hitler and war . The minority who were prepared to go to war found in Elizabeth-Bowes Lyon and Mrs Simpson an ideal deux ex machina by which to remove Edward VIII and his deeply rooted followers from the throne.

England as a nation then and now was not particularly bothered by people's marital arrangements and relations from the high to the low. The problem for Churchill and his set was how to nullify Lord Halifax, Lord Northcliffe and their plans. The Abdication was a gift.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AAOyH0O2ncE

Get it right Rollo

The Queen Mother thoroughly disliked Wallis Simpson because she blamed her for Edward abdicating and thus making his younger brother ascend the throne ................. the Queen Mother blamed Wallis for the early death of George VI, because of the great stress it put on him as someone who was not expected to become king, had never been trained to do that "job", and who hated to speak in public.

As a side note, Edward was adored by many of the British public because of his service and manner during WW1. He seemingly was really down-to-earth with servicemen.

Many of them still liked him after his abdication, despite the reason for it. I knew many men 40 and over during my childhood who loved George and Elizabeth for how they behaved during WWII but still thought a great deal of Edward. They disliked Simpson.

You also omitted to say that Edward had to be very carefully watched while Governor in Bermuda because he was still making contact with the Nazis or attempting to do so

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JvuCH4YxHQY

Pease pudding hot
Pease pudding cold
Pease pudding in the pot
Nine days old

Or
You don’t like having to explain your pontificating.

If the dog ate your homework don't expect somebody else to do it for you.

If you don’t know something is happening why would you look to foreign radio stations.?

Was it Attlee the man or Attlee the socialist that Elizabeth didn’t like?

What is the relevance to her dislike of Attlee to her proving what you like can be good for you?

The affairs of Edward VIII and Wallace Simpson were kept out of the popular press in the UK. The BBC had a de facto monopoly as few in the working class could tune in to and understand foreign radio. Single channel crystal sets were still popular.

Abroad the press was full of the affair and of course the English ruling class based at Cliveden were up to speed,

Although the abdication was sold to the puiblic on the basis of "the woman I love" this could have been accomodated. The real problem was Edward's strong approval of fascism and Hitler's Germany. Led by Oswald Mosely and Lord Halifax there was no lack of UK fellow travellers.

By 1938 war with Germany was a certainty so Edward had to go, Wallace made a great alibi. A few years later Edward was moved to being the governor of Bermuda where he was as locked in as Napoleon in Elba.

That Elizabeth Bowes-Lyon greatly disliked Simpson was bye the bye - she disliked Atlee far more. She went on to prove that quite a lot of what you like can be good for you.

George VI and Elizabeth II are the only monarchs who have ever expressed the notion that the Royals are there "to serve" and no other reason. It was certainly not the point of view of George V or Edward VII.

A lot of what was going on with Edward And Wallis was kept out of the press. Shame the same can’t be said of the current duo.

Historians now say that it was the Queen Mother who would not allow Edward & Wallis to remain.

Youngsters nowadays forget that history CAN teach us something.

Edward V111 abdicated and was kicked out of the royal family because he loved a commoner. Very similar circumstances I think.