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I have 2 4th cousins by Mr. X & Mrs. Y. Mr X married again & had Miss Z. The mother of the 2 cousins is my relative. Miss Z insists that we are related, I say we are not.
Anyone got the right answer please.
Many thanks
Phyll
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Was Mr X the blood relative? If so, then Miss Z is also a descendant of the mutual ancestor.
If Mr was the ‘marry in’ then you don’t share DNA.
She could still claim to be related but as an in-law or ‘step daughter to Mrs Y’ or half sister to their children.
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Thanks Detective
Mr X married my 3rd cousin 1 x removed, (blood rellie). So we are not related.
Phyll
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Sounds rather distant. Don’t let it bother you. Share the pleasure of researching your trees.
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FAMILY RELATIONSHIP TERMS.
Sometimes, especially when working on your family history, it's handy to know how to describe your family relationships more exactly. The definitions below might help you.
Cousin (a.k.a "first cousin") :
Your first cousins are the people in your family who have two of the same grandparents as you. In other words, they are the children of your aunts and uncles.
Second Cousin:
Your second cousins are the people in your family who have the same great-grandparents as you., but not the same grandparents.
Third, Fourth, and Fifth Cousins:
Your third cousins have the same great-great-grandparents, fourth cousins have the same great-great-great-grandparents, and so on.
Removed :
When the word "removed" is used to describe a relationship. It indicates that the two people are from different generations. You and your first cousins are in the same generation (two generations younger than your grandparents), so the word "removed" is not used to describe your relationship.
The words "once removed" mean that there is a difference of one generation. For example, your mother's first cousin is your first cousin, once removed. This is because your mother's first cousin is one generation younger than your grandparents and you are two generations younger than your grandparents. This one-generation difference equals "once removed."
Twice removed means that there is a two-generation difference. You are two generations younger than a first cousin of your grandmother, so you and your grandmother's first cousin are first cousins, twice removed.
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You will be aware that a good tip when researching is to remember that many Irish and Scots families adhered to a particular naming pattern for several hundred years. Sometimes this can help us narrow our particular ancestors down a little.
1st son was named after paternal Grandfather;
2nd son was named after maternal Grandfather;
1st daughter was named after maternal Grandmother;
2nd daughter was named after paternal Grandmother;
any siblings after that being named after other siblings and cousins.
The Right Name For The Right Cousin Conversation on the subject 'who is related to whom' bogs down over terminology, particularly when it comes to defining cousins.
Your first cousin is your parents' brother's or sister's child. However, the first cousin's child is not your second cousin, but your first cousin one removed. The child of the first cousin once removed is your first cousin twice removed, and his child is your first cousin three times removed.
Your second cousin is your grandparents' brother's or sister's grandchild. That second cousin's child is your second cousin once removed, and his child is your second cousin twice removed, and so on.
Your third cousin is your great-grandparents' brother's or sister's great-grandchild. The third cousin's child is your third cousin once removed, and his child is your third cousin twice removed.
Other Occasionally Misunderstood Terms
Siblings: Parents in common, brothers and sisters
Grandnephew and Grandniece: the grandchild of your brother or sister
Grandaunt or Granduncle: the brother or sister of your grandparent
Great-Grandaunt or Great-Granduncle: the sister or brother of your great-grandparents
Stepfather or Stepmother: the husband of your mother or the wife of your father by a subsequent marriage
Stepchild: the child of your husband or wife by a former marriage
Stepsister or Stepbrother: the child of your stepfather or stepmother
Half Sister or Half Brother: the child of your mother and stepfather or the child of your father and stepmother, or of either parent by a former marriage
In-Laws: your connections by the law of marriage (as distinct from relatives by blood) in particular, your husband's or wife's relatives and your own brother's wife or sister's husband
Ancestor: the person from whom you descend directly, such as a grandparent or a great-grandparent
Descendant: the person who descends directly from you, such as a grandson or granddaughter
Lineal Relations: those in a direct line of ascent or descent, such as a grandfather or granddaughter
Collateral Relations: those relatives who are linked by a common ancestor, such as aunts, uncles, or cousins.
All clear now?
From the Web under Half cousins:
Half-siblings share only one parent. Extrapolating from that, if one of John's parents and one of Mary's parents are half-siblings, then John and Mary are half-first cousins.
The half-sibling of each of their respective parents would be their half-aunt or half-uncle but these terms, although technically specific, are rarely used in practice. While it would not be unusual to hear of another's half-brother, or half-sister, so described, in common usage one would rarely hear of another's half-cousins or half-aunt, so described, and instead hear them described simply as the other's cousin or aunt.
And children of half-first cousins are half-second cousins to each other and so on because they would share only one common great-grandparent out of eight instead of two.
Any clearer? My head hurts now!!
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A great description, Dermot. I'd have got lost among all of those people. :-D
I have to say, I have met a good number of my cousins, second and third cousins removed or otherwise since doing the family history and, by Jove, I've liked all of them - every one congenial, pleasant and easy to get along with.
If we were fifth cousins of the Queen, we'd just call ourselves cousins of the Queen - seems to be the norm if you're looking for a bit of kudos. Also, have you noticed that some journalists start off using the term 'cousin' but many clarify the situation before the end, for example 'fifth cousin once removed'.
Good grief, this cousin of my cousins is totally confused. I wonder how HM feels.
:-S :-S :-S
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Clear as mud ,Dermot thanks. Will read again & hopefully digest.
Phyll
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There are also cross cousins, parallel cousins and double cousins.
A parallel cousin is the child of the father's brother (paternal uncle's child) or of the mother's sister (maternal aunt's child).
A cross-cousin is the child of the mother's brother (maternal uncle's child) or of the father's sister (paternal aunt's child).
Double cousins arise when two brothers of one family marry two sisters of another family and both pairs have children. These cousins share all four grandparents.
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I think they are not even on your Christmas card list Phyllis :-D
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I think they are not even on your Christmas card list Phyllis :-D
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If a woman has a child by each of two brothers, then are the children half siblings or cousins?
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Both?
Half siblings because they have the same mother.
Cousins because they have the same 4 grandparents.
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In my family tree, my grandmother and her sister married two brothers. Also, the brother of the sisters married the sister of the brothers. What would they be called.
Incest? !!!!!!!
That was a fairly common thing to happen in rural villages. Not much opportunity to meet many people. Sometimes i think these small villages are all related as this happens over the centuries.
Sue
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