General Chat

Tosh

"Over the last year I have often posted my support for Islamic people living in the middle east and their human right to be accorded refugee status in the EU"

I believe you missed out the word SOME - from 'my support for Islamic people'.

Not good to try to give the impression you embrace all, when evidently you only 'support' those who agree with all your bull.
Those who question your statements are regularly insulted and castigated for 'not having an education' - whether they are as educated as you (or in some cases 'better' than you).

To attempt to mock a person on their education is akin to mocking a blind person because they can't see.

People are allowed to have a different view - this doesn't mean they are wrong.
People have different experiences - these mould them.
They may not be allegedly 'high flying' 'loadsa money' experiences - not everyone wants that - but they are relevant - and not put out just for you to snort at them, just because they're not your values/experiences.

Attempting to 'boast' that you've " often posted my support for Islamic people " - so what?
The major element missing from your 'statement' - and many others, is humility.

So now mine is RR'd and you re print some version of your original ?

For the record my one only said his first two lines were in bad taste.

The Maybot is needing a way out a fire escape.
The exits are blocked by steely eyed brexiters, business remoaners and balaclava men and women bearing armalites
So as a vicar's daughter she has turned to prayer.

I made no mention of Islam or the the people living in and near Latimer Rd.
Some of the posts here were very odd posting Web offers to rent for burned out flats for example. What were they getting at?

Over the last year I have often posted my support for Islamic people living in the middle east and their human right to be accorded refugee status in the EU. To say the least of it not a popular point of view on these boards, with HMG or the Borough of Kensington and Chelsea which is on the edge of being suspended.

"He led his regiment from behind
He found it more exciting"

For the record I didn't RR it.

Didn't see the original but if that's what Rollo said it was a cheap shot.

I am in touch with many Muslims on social media and some are saying that they are very uncomfortable being labelled as the social poor and disadvantaged.. They have enormous pride and would give their last £1 to charity.

How to further push a wedge between racial divides from the perspective of the 'other side'. (and I phrase that with care).

But who would replace her Dermot from any party? Better the devil etc maybe?

I do agree with supercrutch and Caroline...
What a month the PM has had.

I wonder if the results of the election would have been the same had these disasters not happened?

She had to cope with her affairs of government as well as electioneering,Corbyn could go about on his campaign without these extra duties.
It was one thing after another,and how could they put the whole blame on her,she has only held the office for a short time?

Leave her alone and don't fire up this vendetta against her.
These tower blocks should have had some sort of fire escape as hotels have had to have for a good number of years.One staircase is ridiculous.

This must be the first lesson to be learnt then, she's admitted there have been problems...though at the end of the day for hands on day to day action should this be the PM and the Government dealing with it....if it had happened in Liverpool for instance would they expect the PM etc to be there dealing with it?

Unbiased as to these particular articles, that there has been a lack of a central 'hub' if you will, to co-ordinate the relief efforts and provide info.

Agreed Supercrutch, do you want a touchy feely PM or one doing what's needed
Did Churchill go around hugging everyone?

BBC unbiased *falls off commode* not for about 15 years.

I agree Ms. May cannot seem to express emotion very well, some people just cannot let their guard down and hug people (as was suggested she should have done on the newspaper review on Sky).

Everyone wants answers....that's a given. What I don't want is the victims' needs hijacked by the Socialist Party, you can get your handy placards/leaflets and news of a disruption nationwide during October here:

http://www.socialistparty.org.uk/

Mr. Corbyn should shut up, stop trying to score points and offer to HELP in cross party talks to sort out the housing need at least. Not that all those made homeless can be re-housed in W11 as demanded. There isn't enough housing stock.

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article.../Firm-paid-2-6m-cladding-Grenfell-collapsed.html

Rydon contracted ,

,to Harley Facades Ltd





--quote,

written by Ray(Raymond) Bailey owner of Harley Facades Ltd,and wife is company sec.

1st Sept 2016.

Harley completes its work of Grenfell Tower,the project involved a complete overclad,window replacment to a residental tower.
well done Ben and team,great looking job and a happy client,,!!

,this was wriiten on their facebook page

RB has previously been a company owner but -went bust.
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although many contractors were involved in the renovation.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-40312564

I assume that the BBC is still considered reasonably unbiased as to this article ( rhetorical question).

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-40315800

Pictures have been shown around the world of people involved banging on doors of the council buildings, then pushing their way inside albeit they were stopped in the foyer and half way up the stairs. Not sure how many are sleeping on floors right now, it seems many are being put into hotels. Obviously not the same as your own home and your own bed.

The way I look at it is pretty much encapsulated in the words of whoever it was ( Nick Hurd?)

".....treating the victims as “if they were our own friends and family”.

I'd be banging down doors if it were one of my own, and I am guessing so would most of the people on this thread whatever defence for calm reasoning they may be coming out with. When you can't find your loved ones and no one is telling you whether they are dead or alive in a hospital? When you want to know if corners were cut and by whom and you want to know now ? When you see the terrible grief and shock and sheer horror of something avoidable in your own community, or in someone else's in fact...well you react don't you?

I do not think T May was well advised, it might have been better to meet at least some of the victims or just not go at all.

She is not good at showing the human touch in public, however heartbroken she may be in private, some people have it, some don't. Her way of showing it is to get on with the practicalities, but sometimes it is the holding of a hand and just 'being there' to listen that is most valuable in the short term to those in need. It is why Princess Diana was so popular.

It wasn't exactly a riot. They occupied the foyer for a while. Some of them were allowed to meet officials and ask questions. They reported back.

There was a bit more shouting them everyone went home, those that had homes and weren't sleeping on floors.

Agreed everyone should be angry as this should never have happened in any way, but can we justify mob behaviour on this scale for any reason. If we do then where do we draw the line? A silent mass gathering would have shown those in charge the sheer scale of the public feelings. Storming buildings; as much as we can only start to understand their upset; is not going to solve anything. Sad but true.
Even sticking up for the council bods that were involved in the decision making, were they actually told the truth about the material? They may have innocently approved them thinking they were 100% safe.

I'm furious, Rose.

Just a quick point, because I noticed the posters too.

It 'may' be that the persons carrying the printed placards with Socialist Worker on did already have them, after all K & C fell to Labour in the election. It's not beyond the bounds of possibility is it, that one can be local, affected directly or indirectly by this tragedy AND already be a Labour supporter with a big placard that says what you feel applies in this case also?

As for 'outsiders' being angry...well aren't you? I am and I live no where near.
"Every man's death diminishes me" especially when you can clearly see someone, albeit not yet known who, is, by my definition of common sense at least, culpable.