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I posted the tinyurl link to that deleted thread a few posts earlier.

There is also the fact that David's sisters were born after he was with the same surnames.

If David's parents weren't married, it would be odd for his mother to use the same surname if the sisters' father was not the same man.


David if you do not have your sisters' birth certificates and are not in touch with them, it would be a good idea to get those certificates to see exactly how the parents' names are recorded.


I fully understand all the info about the Janette from Northamptonshire.

We do - not infrequently - encounter people who state as facts the things they have inferred or assumed. That is, if David's Janette is the one from Northamptonshire, then yes her mother is so-and-so, etc. The thing is to be sure that that is indeed the Janette in question.

Very likely the Taunton Janette married in Southampton in 1980. Since there seem to have been no births to that marriage, a scenario might be that Janette was already married when David was born.

It is just something I hoped to rule out definitively. It does seem that David has met members of his Janette's family so that would seem to do it, I guess.

On the thread which has possibly now been deleted I think it said that David was told by his Mother that his Father died helping clear up after the Falklands War, this is unlikely but not impossible as clear-up happened immediately after and 2 men (sappers) died:

http://tinyurl.com/hqr3a3t

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2005/jun/11/uk.falklands

So it depends how 'immediately' this happened, but if David born in 1984, dates do not add up.

David's mother's parents were married in Northampton and her mother's maiden name was Webb so I would say the Kettering birth should be right.

Kath. x

David, you say:
'As for the date of birth of my father he may or may not be dead so really it has no reason to assume either side.'

yes there IS a reason to assume - for the purpose of putting his personal information on the internet - that he is living, because you do NOT know and because you do NOT know that he wants to be talked about on line without his knowledge or consent.

This is a general rule of good behaviour on line: respect other people's privacy.


It has been explained that if someone is called 'John Doe also known as Richard Roe', then John Doe is their real name and Richard Roe is an assumed name

so in your case, that makes Robert Robinson an assumed name


and yes, one of your other threads was about your mother, but one that you deleted was about your father

as I said, starting threads, deleting them, starting others, is not not good form because it is not fair to people who try to help

that is why there is a rule of one thread per person asked about


You seem to be saying that what you are wondering is whether your father was adopted as a child.

if that was the case, there is simply no purpose in looking for his birth, because it would be under some completely different name from his name on your birth certificate or in the other documents

That is, there is no reason why a person born as Richard Roe, and then adopted and his name changed to John Doe, would be called John Doe also known as Richard Roe (Robert Oliver Isaacs also known as Robert Robinson).


The two things you have are not 'completely different'

One, your birth certificate, says his name, and the other, the court document, says his name and his 'also known as' name.

The only little discrepancy is that your birth certificate says Oliver Isaacs and the court document says Robert Oliver Isaacs

Oliver might have been his middle name that he used, or the 'Robert' might have been assumed and used with both Isaacs and Robinson.


One thing I wonder a little about, you are very sure that your mother was born in Kettering? I ask because someone of the same name was born at almost the same time in Taunton, where you were born, just to be sure ...

and also just to be sure, you do think your father was more than 20 years older than your mother?

David,

A birth has to be registered within 6 weeks of the birth happening so a birth on 28th May 1940 would be registered in either the 2nd or 3rd quarter of 1940.

The quarters are:-

Qtr. 1 - January to March
Qtr. 2 - April to June
Qtr. 3 - July to September
Qtr. 4 - October to December

Kath. x

My father as states on official document both in lpool. Chee I cannot find any errors or typo on choe and again I was onlying looking at my father's side which joonie rambling or the other woman had any imput on and still no closer to finding the truth. I already had sorted my mother's side however people asked the question I simply answered. As for the date of birth of my father he may or may not be dead so really it has no reason to assume either side. Everything I've looked upon for my father people state the wrong quarter yet I don't understand the quarters to correctly seek the information myself. However I am dealing wih my father's side which has no relevance to my mother's side and as rambling also was made aware and she withdrew from the conversation as it was not a relevant topic. I'm coming here trying to think of ideas why one says 1 thing and another completely different and then having other ideas on my own possible adoption as ww2 was going to happen so mothers stayed home unless they were war worthy. So brings a valid question of adoption.

David at one time you said that your mother had told you your real father died in the Falklands War

however you were born in 1984 and the war was spring of 1982 so I think we can rule that out


It seems possible / likely that your father was simply not British born

He was a nurse and that was not an uncommon occupation for immigrants in the 1970s and 1980s

David you have posted and deleted at least two threads just in the last two months about your family

http://tinyurl.com/hqr3a3t

http://tinyurl.com/j5e8vrb

in fact in that second thread I told you how to find your mother's siblings' births

... and Rambling Rose had already given you all the same information ...


and from what you had sent me then, Janette was born in Northamptonshire


Deleting threads and starting new ones where people do not know what was in the previous threads is simply not good form.


edit - thanks Kathleen, as you see in this post, I already knew these things too, I just don't happen to memorize info about people's families from two months ago especially when they delete all the info I have worked on for them ...

Have sent you a pm Joonie.

The Taunton birth is not David's mother.

Kath. x

David was your mother born in Taunton and she was about 23 when you were born?

we all seem to have missed my message at the very beginning of the thread pointing out that the surname is Chee not Choe and that the marriage and other births can be found with that name

I was attempting to respect the privacy of the people involved by not posting personal details


At that time, I had not the slightest idea what David was talking about and I am still finding it difficult.

But David ---------- you have posted the names and birthdates of other people who are living and that is not permitted at this site, and should never be done on the internet.

(we don't know whether they were adopted or have given you their permission or anything at all ........ even if you had their permission it is still completely unwise to put people's birthdates on the internet)


Kathleen, middle name is Paul, surname Isaacs, Feb 1984

That is you David??


Have we realised now that the Liverpool birth has nothing to do with David's family? so really the information posted about that family should simply be deleted.

Mother has been severely I'll for a number of years in fact since I was 3. And not had very much contact growing up and have only found data protection files issued on myself from care. So it has been a long search for many years and 1 step closer to knowing my father.

27 January 1984 my sisters Elizabeth 7.8.85 Catherine 28.11.86 bit the quarter ran into 1987

Sorry for the delay David - I've been out for lunch.

I have looked at the documents you sent by pm and I don't really know what to say.

What year were you born? I can see a birth for a David J. Grant with mother's maiden name of Grant but I can't see a birth for a David Isaacs.

I can also NOT see the birth you say you have found for a Robert Oliver Isaacs in 1941 - where did you find this?

EDIT - After looking at your tree I see that you were born 1984. For some reason I was looking at Liverpool for these births but I see it was in Somerset. I think your mother must have just lived with Mr. Isaacs/Robinson and registered your birth and that of your sisters as if she was married to him. I don't think you are going to get anywhere with your search unless your mother can give you more information.

Kath. x

No birth for oliver but there is a birth for Robert oliver isaacs 1941 I found in lpool but yet court gave me a birth

I've tried everything to search. My birth cert says oliver but courts know as robert oliver isaacs alias robinson however cannot understand anything from it or even a way of knowing what's the truth. Birth cert even says my mother is janette isaacs but no marriage was ever known. With maiden of grant. I've only ever know mum to be grant. And I have been thinking maybe my cert is legit for my birth but the names apart from mum isn't so much. I have no idea on anything

but if his name is oliver isaacs on your birth cert shouldnt that be the name you look for a birth for

alias Robert Robinson means he was later known as that name surely

Oh right. May I message with what court gave

The only problem I can see is the date of birth you have for Robert alias Robinson does not match up with this birth in the last quarter of 1940.

The birth you have of 28th May 1940 would not be registered in quarter 4 of that year.

Kath. x

Ok will buy one and see. Thankyou