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I think you need to wait until you get your sister's BC David. If the father is the same as yours then it's a pretty fair bet that this person is collectively your father. If its not, then I think you'll either have to accept what's on your B.C, or resign yourself to the fact that if you are the result of another relationship a and the chances of finding that person are very slim. Again, without DNA you can never be completely certain either way, but the same name appearing more than once would suggest that this man was your collective parent.

David, it's difficult (and a bit annoying) if people are giving you info privately and you aren't telling us what it is. Most people here, if they send info privately, put a message in the thread saying what they are doing.


not the personal details - just something like

'I think a birth in X quarter of Y year in Z district, surname ABD, is my father'

and then others can find it and see how it looks.

If we know what trail you are on we might be able to help ... or might be able to show that it is a false trail before you spend money on it ...


I wonder about that
'is <99% it could be him'
because it looks a lot like what it says for all results at FreeBMD, where it just means that the match with what you searched for is a 'greater than 99% match'.
You are not seeing a copy of the FreeBMD results and reading it as meaning it is a near-certainty that something is the person you are looking for, are you?


also ... I think you have added 'Devon' to your Researching line. Is this in connection with something you are tracking regarding your father?

if so, is it in connection with a birth(s) there in 1951?

Detective.. Yeah my sister was born end November 1986... so registered in the Jan 87 I assume.

However I have been trying to make sense of birth cert on myself alot of questions but more importantly looking at father and seems like my certificate is lies apart from naturalisation of myself.

Questions seem to bring back my cert to think it's all lies. No marriage was ever recorded possible common-law but who knows. As for my sisters certs I'm assuming will be same as mine. But mum and aunt always said I was the outcast so to speak due to this Falkland tale.

Ok magpie yeah I had another explaining your meaning as well. Too much confusion on my part especially having eupd a form of bpd and bipolar too.struggling to make sense of myself these days let alone many others.sorry wasn't trying to snap at anyone.

Jooniecloonie. I jut put the names given to me by court of law and hopefully match anything particular if nothing matches and no certificate found then I'd have money back but I've only asked for one certificate but I've tried to retract the certificate but I can't they said on phone. As someone else who has messaged me is <99% it could be him so I may end up with a blueberry within a mixed bag of jelly babies as I say. As I'm still going by the dob and born lpool. But with a tree member says he born in lambeth not lpool so again my birth cert comes into question if he lied upon official document

David, you said earlier that you were confused about the registration quarters particularly in respect of your sisters listing.

The quarters are referred to when the birth was Registered, not when the child was born. Parent(s) had 6 weeks to appear before the Registrar. They can be fined if they fail to do so. Thus a child born on 20 Nov might not be registered until the Jan the following year.
The same would apply with children being registered in the quarter following their birth.

The same sort of delay can apply to deaths, only it that case a DC of some description is needed before the remains can be disposed of. If someone were to die at the end of Dec, what with Bank holidays etc, it wouldn’t be possible to register them until the Jan of the following year.

Quarters run from the first day of the first month of the quarter to the last day of the last month. It’s when the birth or death was REGISTERED, not when the event occurred.

1 quarter – 1 Jan to 31 March
2 quarter – 1 April to 30 June
3 quarter – 1 July to 30 September
4 quarter – 1 Oct to 31 Dec.

I expect in the case of your daughter, the person on her BC had claimed to be her biological father, that's how he came to be there. You were able to prove differently and change it. Without that proof your would never have been able to.

Sorry David, I thought
'I've ordered mother sisters birth certificates'
meant your mother's sisters' birth certificates

what father's certificate have you ordered? :-S


David are you saying that another man was on your daughter's birth certificate?

that is because he was present when the birth was registered and claimed or acknowledged that he was the father

That was clearly what happened in your daughter's case ... these days, yes, DNA can correct those errors.

I don't think this has much to do with anything here does it? there was no adoption involved in your daughter's case, and the other man wasn't put on her certificate as 'stepfather', it was as father.

the idea that your father was adopted is less likely than that he just used assumed names.

David, you can check it out on line, the law is very precise. There is no way that anyone other than a biological father or an adoptive stepfather can be on a child's birth certificate. If a biological father can, as is possible these days disprove another supposed biological, father, then of course a birth certificate can be altered. If, however, the child has already been adopted by the person on the certificate then the law is very clear that the biological father has no claim once an adoption has legally gone through. As I say, you can check it out without any difficulty.

No joone. My mother and my sisters certs. And a father cert

Well magpie that's not true as from what I was told of my eldest daughter and before dna was proven to be mine it was some other fella who took on my daughter it was me who went to child court and demanded a dna etc. And came back I was the father and I was told I'd be put on the cert so I don't know how that happens when my daughter was never adopted

David, not your mother's sister's birth certificates? I'm not sure what that would tell you that you need to know.

I was talking about *your* sister's birth certificates, to see what they say about your/their parents.


As far as this Falklands business ... yes, count back 9 months ... but he would have had to be there *after* you were conceived ... and there just were not people getting killed doing mine-clearing 'clean-up' at that time.


I will leave all the info in that post for a little while so that others who have been contributing can see what I'm on about :-)

This all sounds an enormous muddle so I won't attempt to get involved. All I can say is, that a stepfather cannot and never has been able to just be put on /added to a child's birth certificate unless that stepfather has legally adopted the child in question. The only paternal name will be that of the biological father or an adoptive stepfather. If it's the latter, then there would undoubtedly be adoption papers to back up this legal procedure. I have personal experience of this so do know that a 'new' father has to legally adopt you before being put on your birth certificate.

I've ordered mother sisters birth certificates with known facts. I've done my father's without a gro I've just done what I thought either robert oliver isaacs or robinson with unknown areas.

Looking on the Falkland part by the lady who said... I was born end of January 1984 minus 9 months give or take 2 weeks conceiving.so looking around April for 9 months to begin then give or take 2 weeks looking about end of March ish 1983

Thankyou jooniecloonie I have screenshot the links feel free on that post as I have got the links from it. Please keep other info listed below.

Kathleen bell I cannot see any marriage to my mother at all. Janette grant is my mother and I know she is alive. Yes I did patchem as my mum told me that but who knows as my mum told me that along withe an aunt as I grew up and again in later years so it has stuck and their stories never changed. However even though I have someone on my birth cert doesn't mean it's my dad but a step dad but who knows and a dna would prove it if and when something happened. Which is unlikely in my case.from information about the "cert father" I don't want to know him just it helps me knowing my tree. Not trying to go well this is him so I'm gonna seek himedical out. Sounds harsh maybe but that is a choice I had made many years ago. I was never born a Kathleen Paul either I was born as my name now born in 1st quarter in Somerset and parents moved shortly after to kettering to have my sisters however my last sister was born in 1986 but wasn't regis tired til 1987

for anyone who has read the last couple of posts

I have edited heavily to remove info that turned out not to be useful, and add better info

Considering the date and place of birth that other person shows for your father in her tree

There was a surname Isaacs birth in Lambeth in 1951 ... with the same given name as you.

There is no marriage or death recorded for that person, and there is no electoral roll listing in the last 15 years.

There is an earlier birth in Lambeth with the same surnames and two in Southwark, and the marriage was probably 1945 in Southwark.

One person here has those other three siblings in their tree, and one of the siblings is in several people's trees; none of them has the one who shares your name. He is in one different person's tree.


No idea what this might mean, likely nothing at all ... just trying to guess where Oliver's year of birth in the tree of that other person came from ...

David - possibly important useful info here, please read carefully and follow the links, in order.


The other person who has your family members in their tree is interesting indeed (I am not putting her name here as I think that an invasion of privacy too).

See here to start:

http://tinyurl.com/hqcumdr

and hopefully you can see this if you click (2001 marriage):

http://tinyurl.com/hpmysmx


......... I'm editing out the links I had added when 192.com refused to respond and show me pages found in google search results for electoral roll listings, and I was relying on google's cached versions of some of the pages - see below

and tentative telephone listing deleted - confirmed at 192.com that it belongs to someone else


Anyway, if info can be found for her husband only, you could contact him to try to reach her



EDIT - 192.com is up and running; this is her entry, and the second is her husband's at the same address showing a later date when she is not present:

http://tinyurl.com/zeh7lnf

http://tinyurl.com/gtlr6a6

and I wonder whether this is her back with her family later:

http://tinyurl.com/zcxb6oc

(possibly remarried after that? records not accessible on line)


hopefully it will be possible to sort out a means of contacting her or a member of her (or her husband's) family


I think I would try that contact -- carefully of course, perhaps best by letter -- if there seems to be a way of doing it.

The connection with your family seems so unexplained ... possibly one of your sisters married into the family? ... it's impossible to guess and I think it is something I would want to look into.


I do wonder whether this is not the same person

http://tinyurl.com/zj57cwm

info on line indicates she was born the same year as the Genes Reunited member ... married, lives in the US

http://tinyurl.com/gwdc76t

http://tinyurl.com/jmtpk4s

http://tinyurl.com/gp4n3ko


I would prefer to delete some of this info once you have had a chance to digest it and record it David