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hold on a minute everyone,

i said her in Wales,i work in a special school and educational staff do not give meds,health care support staff go into schools here if a child needs special meds.

and as for the dyslexia,my own daughter has it and was diagnosed age 8.shes 32 now.

and my comments were not about maggies granddaughter(please look through my post again) my comments were about undiagnosed dyslexia

but of course you dont want to see any negative posts do you.

i was giving my advice which is what you asked for and not stirring like you state, :-(

im a nurse,and here in wales no educational staff would be allowed to give insulin(it may be different in england) and also insulin is given usually the same time every day.

and please dont accuse me of patronising maggies daughter"s dyslexia, my own daughter is dyslexic.i was not comenting on that :-|

Cynthia, my son's gf has written down all of the things she can recall and the dates, and will be putting them in the complaints letter to the Governors. I am happy for her to be led by the ex headteacher helping her who is also in touch with a current head teacher so will be uptodate with everything. It's the only way to get things right for the next child who needs more help with school attendance than is the norm.

I will keep everyone posted on how M gets on next term.

Thanks for all your input

Lizx

Suzanne you commented at 1.08am 20th July, this is what you have written and it's still there - you weren't rrd.

"first of all this is medical condition and not an aducational problem.as we all know education staff are not trained to deal with medical problems,and why should they.no untrained staff would be allowed to give insulin, mum must be trained so its up to her to give medication."



Well I am sorry, you are wrong and it's been shown on other posts that administering medication to children at school can be done by trained staff. It would also be totally impractical for a parent to have to stay in school with their child day in and day out. You also made a rather patronising remark about Maggie's daughter's dyslexia which was out of order.


Liz

i could have swarn i commented on this thread,but its gone,

did i get RRD as well :-(

Maggie.....absolutely with you all the way ..... and beyond. Suzanne is totally out of order with that statement.


When my daughter was finally diagnosed with Asperger's at the age of 32, a lot of pennies dropped into place, so to speak.

I then understood why so many of my husband's characteristics were mirrored in my daughter!

He has never been officially diagnosed as having autistic traits, but he certainly has them - as did other members of his family

When someone has lived and dealt with certain conditions and traits over many years, it becomes second nature to spot the signs in others.


Purple, I stated earlier on on this thread that the first course of action I would recommend, would be to contact the Chair of Governors. I stand by that because, if they are as 'pally' as your daughter suspects, then the whole 'special needs' ethos of the school needs to be looked at - including where the Governors stand on the issue.

Make sure your daughter makes a note of the comments from the Head.

Hope it all works out well for the little boy.

Cx :-)

Thanks for that, it's why N. wants to complain and hopefully it will show this headteacher that she has to be more caring of children with special needs so others won't have to be treated so shabbily. Seems his things weren't kept in a locked cabinet which N. was told they would be but just put on a shelf in an office. Also little lad sometimes needs some orange juice to 'stabilise' him, or to give him energy to walk home for example. N. always provided a drink so if he needed it during the day it was available but the teacher made him carry it around with him all the time, in a little bag rather than having it stored somewhere. Yet another thing that singled him out. When N. tried to explain why the orange juice did the job it did, the head said to her Do you speak German? N. replied No and the head said So if I spoke to you in German, you wouldn't understand? No said N. Well said the head, that's the same as the conversation we just had re the juice! Unbelieveable! She also told N and my son if they weren't happy with the school then they could take M. to another school whenever they liked. Nice attitude so you can see from these examples the way she has behaved and it isn't right.

Lizx

Just popping in to say that these days teachers and TAs can and do administer medication, or supervise children as they administer their own medication, after appropriate training. This was the case when my son was at school.

Teachers are also trained to recognise signs of dyslexia. In cases of mild dyslexia a special needs statement isn't always necessary. Unfortunately some schools are reluctant to pay for special needs statements so even quite severe cases are sometimes undiagnosed. Also, sometimes, parents don't want their children labelled and refuse to have an assessment of special needs.

The methods used to help these children are the same, diagnosed or undiagnosed, but if a child has a statement the school will be allocated extra cash to provide additional support.

Liz, I'm glad your son and his partner are not letting this pass, for the sake of other children with special needs who may attend that school.

Suzanne I wish you had not posted on my thread, you obviously have no idea what you are talking about. These days schools will have staff trained to deal with diabetic children (or any others who need similar attention I expect ) The new school M. will be attending already has someone who injects a child with insulin and knows how to check the child's blood sugars beforehand etc so he will be in good hands.
M's mother cannot be expected to sit in school all day everyday to attend to him, although she did so for a fortnight till the training was done at his current school, the head hadn't bothered to arrange it in time for the start of the term.

It's the whole attitude of the headteacher that is under discussion here and we has been helpfully aided by many who posted with support and advice.

I really do not know why you pop up and start to stir things up, there has been enough trouble on this thread from others trying to disrupt it and get one over on each other.

Please don't bother to add to any threads I put on in future, you did enough damage before with your supercilious attitude, you may have some medical training but that doesn't give you the right to behave as you do.

Maggie, I can understand your being angry about the wording used to your daughter. It's not right and teachers and people dealing with children should be more thoughtful in the way they speak. I thought these days things were better, I know when I went to school the teachers could behave with less consideration. as the teacher who would stand me on a desk and tell everyone to get their umbrellas out as I was crying - I was just 5 and missed my mum, I hadn't been away from her much before, no nursery or playgroups then to get you used to things. It scarred me at an early age and I had little confidence at school altho I was helped by having a wonderful teacher in the next year who was kind to all the children and didn't belittle them in front of their peers.

I think you handled things well with your daughter, she learned to cope with her problem and didn't need an official label.

Errol in answer to your pm, yes you are getting a bit annoying, seems as tho you want to stir things when you can these days. Not nice to see.

Live and let live.


Lizx

No - she is dyslexic - but was never put through the 'process' of statementing.
As I pointed out - her father is dyslexic, so we knew the signs of dyslexia and the problems faced by a dyslexic. We also realised word 'shape' is more important than phoenetics, and she was aware of word shapes at an early age.
She, unlike her sister, used to 'read' books with me - ie follow what was written.
I also pointed out that, to facilitate children with medical problems etc, at the school I worked at, we went on courses.

I also added late to this thread and mentioned that my info on procedures was probably out of date.

Does it really need an 'expert' to diagnose dyslexia?
Do you not think one dyslexic can identify another?

Would also like to point out, her father has been diagnosed as a Dyslexic, he teaches special needs teenagers, has an MA in Maths.
Oh - and I have a degree in education. I may not have had this when my children were small, but I had spent at least 4 hours of every week whilst at school volunteering in a special needs children's unit.

Daughter was never told by us she was dyslexic, but after leaving school said 'I'm dyslexic aren't I?'

Probably irrelevant that her sister has got a degree and done a PGCE - she can recognise the signs of dyslexia in her sister.

But obviously I, ex, and daughters know p*ss all, and will bow to the superior knowledge of Errol and Suzanne.

In case you can think of any other excuse, I am neither a 'narcissistic' mother, nor someone who suffers from Munchausen - the dyslexic daughter can verify this, seeing quite a few as she works in the local maternity ward, and would be the first to tell me if she thought I was.

I thought so

it means it has not been diagnosed so its not a problem, you may have it but you probably dont :-)

I am inclined to agree with you Suzanne.
maggiewinchester - what does "undiagnosed dyslexic" actually mean?
Sorry if I am being thick

first of all this is medical condition and not an aducational problem.as we all know education staff are not trained to deal with medical problems,and why should they.no untrained staff would be allowed to give insulin, mum must be trained so its up to her to give medication. :-)

Hope all goes well Liz.
I used to work in a school where we used to medicate/catheterise etc pupils - we went on training courses for these - and also worked in Governor Services for the local council, but it was many years ago, so don't know the 'protocols' now.

Have to admit, when a teacher in Secondary School said, in front of the class, that my daughter 'wrote like a Dyslexic', I just phoned the head to make an appointment.
Daughter is dyslexic, but had never been statemented, as we'd worked out strategies. (her dad is 'undiagnosed' dyslexic, so we knew the problems) Daughter could read before she started school.
Her spelling is better than a lot of her non-dyslexic friends, but her handwriting does leave a lot to be desired :-(
I just felt the teacher was out of order.

Thanks for your help everyone. I showed N. the posts that were relevant and also put her in touch with an ex headmistress (contact details from a GR member) who has been extremely kind and helpful with lots of advice so the letter is nearly written now, first delivery to School Parent/Governors and see what happens after that.

Will let you know what happens next.

Thanks again

Lizx

Same as Ann says Liz <3

Sorry, I've only just read this thread.

same as Paula says <3 <3

PSD I have not commented on this thread but just want to say I hope that everything works out for all concerned. Good luck to the little one in his new school.
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Thanks everyone, glad no one came to blows over this thread, it's been far too hot!

I didn't get a chance to talk with M's mummy yesterday but will do so today and find out what she has decided to do about the head teacher. I do feel the woman needs reporting before she makes another child and parents unhappy.

I know M. is looking forward to his new school in September and hope things work out well there. I also hope my son and gf can sort out their housing problems, my son is very knowledgeable about what they can and can't do and will do his best to get the problem solved asap.

Thanks again

Lizx